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Post by lowfbiq on Feb 4, 2019 12:07:28 GMT -5
Hey Everyone! First off, big time congrats on #6! That was an amazing season. Now, I have a scenario for you all. If Hockenson was on the board at #21 and Seattle was willing to give NE #21 and #211 (7th) for #32 and #73 (3rd), would you do it if you were BB? I think I would. Thoughts? first need to know what the team looks like heading into the draft then need to know what the draft pool of players looks like vs Pats own board and what I would "think/believe" others teams still ahead of me are probably looking for Next need to know the character differences and internal grade differences between, Hock, Fant, Irv, "IF" TE is what we want to do the most given the results of the 1st two questions.
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Post by patslifer on Feb 4, 2019 12:27:50 GMT -5
Hey Everyone! First off, big time congrats on #6! That was an amazing season. Now, I have a scenario for you all. If Hockenson was on the board at #21 and Seattle was willing to give NE #21 and #211 (7th) for #32 and #73 (3rd), would you do it if you were BB? I think I would. Thoughts? I would do that deal. He's complete as a TE and I think worthy of the 21st selection especially based on how BB uses TE's in our offense. Even if Gronk came back, I would do the deal. Can you imagine Gronk and Hock together, blocking and running those seam routes...whew.
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Post by lowfbiq on Feb 4, 2019 20:40:22 GMT -5
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Feb 4, 2019 20:49:10 GMT -5
Hey Everyone! First off, big time congrats on #6! That was an amazing season. Now, I have a scenario for you all. If Hockenson was on the board at #21 and Seattle was willing to give NE #21 and #211 (7th) for #32 and #73 (3rd), would you do it if you were BB? I think I would. Thoughts? first need to know what the team looks like heading into the draft then need to know what the draft pool of players looks like vs Pats own board and what I would "think/believe" others teams still ahead of me are probably looking for Next need to know the character differences and internal grade differences between, Hock, Fant, Irv, "IF" TE is what we want to do the most given the results of the 1st two questions. I think of Wazzu's question a little differently. Would I mind if BB did it? NO. BB is the master at assessing character and all the other stuff. I trust them to make a good assessment on those. Would I be upset if he did not make that move? IDK. That would depend what instead BB does with pick 32. But probably not too. The way I look at the Gronk situation is similar to how lifer sees it. You go about planning for 2019 as a Gronk-less season. Let him go about his business at his own time. If he comes back then great. If he does not, no problem.
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Post by lowfbiq on Feb 4, 2019 21:02:30 GMT -5
first need to know what the team looks like heading into the draft then need to know what the draft pool of players looks like vs Pats own board and what I would "think/believe" others teams still ahead of me are probably looking for Next need to know the character differences and internal grade differences between, Hock, Fant, Irv, "IF" TE is what we want to do the most given the results of the 1st two questions. I think of Wazzu's question a little differently. Would I mind if BB did it? NO. BB is the master at assessing character and all the other stuff. I trust them to make a good assessment on those. Would I be upset if he did not make that move? IDK. That would depend what instead BB does with pick 32. But probably not too. The way I look at the Gronk situation is similar to how lifer sees it. You go about planning for 2019 as a Gronk-less season. Let him go about his business at his own time. If he comes back then great. If he does not, no problem. In that regard I agree with you. Why should anyone mind what BB would do as he's proven that he has more info to know more than we do and is right more than he is wrong. I thought he was asking us individually so that was how I think about it.
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Post by patslifer on Feb 4, 2019 21:11:19 GMT -5
That would be a grand slam draft for us. Fun to dream but highly unlikely
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Post by jjdbrasil on Feb 5, 2019 10:33:33 GMT -5
Deep Fried Draft big board
32: R1P32 TE T.J. HOCKENSON IOWA - complete TE, Irv Smith would be good 2nd choice. 56: R2P24 S TAYLOR RAPP WASHINGTON - Chung replacement 64: R2P32 RB ELIJAH HOLYFIELD GEORGIA - two dogs are better than one 73: R3P9 QB JARRETT STIDHAM AUBURN - flavor of the minute, I will change my mind another 1000 times 97: R3P33 EDGE JOE JACKSON MIAMI (FL) - think he has the tools that NE can develop 101: R3P37 WR KEELAN DOSS UC-DAVIS - Keenan Allen anyone, now we get to make up for that missed pick. 134: R4P32 DL DAYLON MACK TEXAS A&M - strong at POA with some energy; need DL if Brown and Shelton go 175: R5P36 OT MITCH HYATT CLEMSON - depth 241: R7P25 LB OTARO ALAKA TEXAS A&M - bigger LB, developmental 252: R7P36 DL OLIVE SAGAPOLU WISCONSIN - 2 down plug stop
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Post by wazzu on Feb 5, 2019 10:36:01 GMT -5
Deep Fried Draft big board 32: R1P32 TE T.J. HOCKENSON IOWA - complete TE, Irv Smith would be good 2nd choice. 56: R2P24 S TAYLOR RAPP WASHINGTON - Chung replacement 64: R2P32 RB ELIJAH HOLYFIELD GEORGIA - two dogs are better than one 73: R3P9 QB JARRETT STIDHAM AUBURN - flavor of the minute, I will change my mind another 1000 times 97: R3P33 EDGE JOE JACKSON MIAMI (FL) - think he has the tools that NE can develop 101: R3P37 WR KEELAN DOSS UC-DAVIS - Keenan Allen anyone, now we get to make up for that missed pick. 134: R4P32 DL DAYLON MACK TEXAS A&M - strong at POA with some energy; need DL if Brown and Shelton go 175: R5P36 OT MITCH HYATT CLEMSON - depth 241: R7P25 LB OTARO ALAKA TEXAS A&M - bigger LB, developmental 252: R7P36 DL OLIVE SAGAPOLU WISCONSIN - 2 down plug stop This would be amazing, but unfortunately I don’t believe that either Hockenson or Raap will be available at those slots. Never know, though. Great job
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 10:40:15 GMT -5
I'm not a Stidham fan, after his performance against Alabama. I think he is overrated.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 10:53:08 GMT -5
I'm with MB on this. At 32, if he is still there, Deebo Samuel, should be the Pick. This team needs a Alpha at Receiver in the worst way. Great pick, at that spot. Considering the pay he will get, and for 5 years too.
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Post by jjdbrasil on Feb 5, 2019 10:55:46 GMT -5
Deep Fried Draft big board 32: R1P32 TE T.J. HOCKENSON IOWA - complete TE, Irv Smith would be good 2nd choice. 56: R2P24 S TAYLOR RAPP WASHINGTON - Chung replacement 64: R2P32 RB ELIJAH HOLYFIELD GEORGIA - two dogs are better than one 73: R3P9 QB JARRETT STIDHAM AUBURN - flavor of the minute, I will change my mind another 1000 times 97: R3P33 EDGE JOE JACKSON MIAMI (FL) - think he has the tools that NE can develop 101: R3P37 WR KEELAN DOSS UC-DAVIS - Keenan Allen anyone, now we get to make up for that missed pick. 134: R4P32 DL DAYLON MACK TEXAS A&M - strong at POA with some energy; need DL if Brown and Shelton go 175: R5P36 OT MITCH HYATT CLEMSON - depth 241: R7P25 LB OTARO ALAKA TEXAS A&M - bigger LB, developmental 252: R7P36 DL OLIVE SAGAPOLU WISCONSIN - 2 down plug stop This would be amazing, but unfortunately I don’t believe that either Hockenson or Raap will be available at those slots. Never know, though. Great job Yeah, it is the function of the big board I am using. I keep changing them, and players are slotted differently. I think it all comes down to team needs after FA. Things could change for sure. Thanks for the comments, good for future decisions, I'll make.
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Post by jjdbrasil on Feb 5, 2019 10:56:46 GMT -5
I'm not a Stidham fan, after his performance against Alabama. I think he is overrated. Hey Crazy, which round for a QB and who you taken, if any?
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Post by jjdbrasil on Feb 5, 2019 10:59:49 GMT -5
I'm with MB on this. At 32, if he is still there, Deebo Samuel, should be the Pick. This team needs a Alpha at Receiver in the worst way. Great pick, at that spot. Considering the pay he will get, and for 5 years too. Could be this year at 32, will not discount it. NE could trade back and get more picks. FA will determine if they go your way or not. I think you get Samuel at the top of rd 2. I want to see his 40 time and 3c.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 11:04:45 GMT -5
For me with TB who seems to never slow down, I'm always looking later in the Draft. Need to study, more of later Round picks. Personally, I want the kid from Georgia, I hope we wait this out this year, and get some picks for next year. This year, we need more in other areas, with all the picks we have.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 11:13:38 GMT -5
Hogan was shut down in SB, and the Rams smothered White. We were Lucky we had Edelman, we cant have this. We have to get some weapons for TB. Its time to get younger and faster at the Wideouts, that work well with TB.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 11:25:00 GMT -5
Kaden Smith is the TE I like later in the Draft. This kid is tough, has no problem in the middle of the field. Great Hands, snatches the ball. Reminds me of Whitten. Not a bad guy, to resemble.
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Post by lowfbiq on Feb 5, 2019 12:01:02 GMT -5
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Post by lowfbiq on Feb 5, 2019 15:31:22 GMT -5
Here is a Mock that has Hock, Fant, & Irv ALL getting picked before pick 32 this year 2 round Mock
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Post by lowfbiq on Feb 5, 2019 15:32:35 GMT -5
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Feb 5, 2019 21:11:17 GMT -5
Here is a Mock that has Hock, Fant, & Irv ALL getting picked before pick 32 this year 2 round MockThose are the three TEs I like head and shoulders above others. I may be proven wrong at the Combine and Pro Days, but the others look a tad slow to me. As you can tell by that comment, I believe speed is important in a TE... well, if they are to be a mismatch for LBs. Gronk, Whitten, Kelce, Ertz, I believe, all ran sub-4.7 on the 40 yard dash.
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Post by patslifer on Feb 5, 2019 21:14:47 GMT -5
Here is a Mock that has Hock, Fant, & Irv ALL getting picked before pick 32 this year 2 round MockOn the bright side..if that happens some very good talent is going to slip to 32
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Feb 6, 2019 2:11:41 GMT -5
Here is a Mock that has Hock, Fant, & Irv ALL getting picked before pick 32 this year 2 round MockMontez Sweat at #32? Described as the perfect backfill for Trey Flowers? That's an interesting thought: Flowers is > 265 lbs; Sweat is < 250. Alternative choices for edge I like more than Sweat are... Jaylon Ferguson 6-5, 262 Zach Allen, 6-5, 284 Charles Omenihu, 6-6, 276
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Feb 6, 2019 2:19:37 GMT -5
So... who will Mayock pick for the Raiders at #4? I am guessing they go for Haskins.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 9:35:24 GMT -5
TE is huge to this Offense, with TB. But it wasn't always that way. At 32, the TE will have to knock the Pats socks off. We won a SB without Gronk. If the TE's cannot do everything a TE needs to do, block, catch, catch in traffic. Make plays, above any other TE. In SB, showed me how far behind we are in the WR's, teams will have it easier Defending us, unless we get a quick twitch kid on the Outside, who is tough as nails, and make catches, and is smart. WR- for me at 32 still.
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Post by lowfbiq on Feb 6, 2019 10:01:12 GMT -5
Here is a Mock that has Hock, Fant, & Irv ALL getting picked before pick 32 this year 2 round MockMontez Sweat at #32? Described as the perfect backfill for Trey Flowers? That's an interesting thought: Flowers is > 265 lbs; Sweat is < 250. Alternative choices for edge I like more than Sweat are... Jaylon Ferguson 6-5, 262 Zach Allen, 6-5, 284 Charles Omenihu, 6-6, 276 Exactly. I just share for entertainment purposes but people have to know that these dudes doing mock drafts do NOT know every team intimately. They do not know exactly what the team is looking for, only what some positions generally speaking they are guessing are needs.
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