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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Feb 2, 2019 7:57:39 GMT -5
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Feb 2, 2019 9:16:17 GMT -5
My #1 WR:
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Feb 2, 2019 12:52:01 GMT -5
One thing is for certain, draftniks by in large do not seem sold on this QB draft class Nick Foles will get a big payday. The first domino falls on Feb 11, when PHI has to decide whether they pick up the $20MM option ($20MM cap). If PHI picks up the option, what happens next? Wentz is on his fourth contract year - $8.5MM guaranteed/ $8.5MM dead cap. Will they want to tie up $29MM of their 2019 cap on the two QBs? How does that affect negotiations with Wentz for after 2019? I imagine Wentz will command roughly tag money. Assuming PHI picks up Foles: For $2MM, Foles can buy out the contract so he becomes FA. But if I were him, why spend $2MM to give up $20MM in guaranteed money when you do not know whether FA will match that guaranteed money? I don't think he will do much better than $20MM guaranteed in the free market. PHI could let Foles explore FA by not picking up the $20MM. It's gonna be a weird QB market and it will keep him from getting back that $20MM. Looking at the teams by 2019 draft order: 1) ARI has Rosen. Do they give up on him? Or bring Foles in to give ROsen more time? 2) SFF is pot-committed to JG 3) NYJ has Darnold. 4) OAK is interesting. Carr has a $22.5 cap number for the next two years but only $7.5 and $5 in dead money. They could use the cap savings to commit to Foles. If the signals that Gruden is not sold on Carr (perceived to be soft) are true, then they can pickup Foles for even money if they Gruden wants Foles more than Carr. 5) TBB is most interesting: Winston is $20.9 guaranteed; $20.9 cap; $0 dead money. They could drop Winston, pick BPA and then get perhaps a top 5 QB in the second round. 6) NYG is also interesting. Eli on last year of contract with $11.5 guaranteed, $23.2 cap, $6.2 dead money. This is simply a question of who they think is a better QB now and who they want Kyle Lauletta to be learning from. 7) JAX: Bortles has caps of $20.8 and $23 in 2019 and 2020; dead money of $16.5 and $5. I do not think there is an argument that Foles is better than Bortles. 8) DET: Makes sense for them to stay with Stafford 9) BUF: Has Josh Allen and Matt Barkley - both relatively cheap. Could they learn from Foles? 11) DEN: Keenum on last year of contract. They save $11MM in cap if they drop Keenum. Do they think Foles is a marked improvement?
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Post by lowfbiq on Feb 2, 2019 13:32:45 GMT -5
for comparison Deion Sanders ran a 4.27 I think. Chris Johnson 4.24. John Ross 4.22. Bolts 4.22 is as a 32 yr old guy, for fun, at the super bowl festivities
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Post by fisher on Feb 2, 2019 13:56:18 GMT -5
The initial evaluations of the QB's being drafted is less than enthusiastic except for the NFL network... The question is if one of the higher rated QB's slips to 32 I wonder if BB will jump in the QB pool... If he doesn't draft one at all, he's better be prepared for failure.. Or is Ekling the next patriot starter ??
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Post by lowfbiq on Feb 2, 2019 14:29:17 GMT -5
How each Super Bowl team's 53-man roster was built:
Rams: 25 drafted players, 10 free agents signed, 5 players traded for, 4 acquired on waivers, 9 UDFA.
Patriots: 25 drafted players, 14 free agents signed, 6 players traded for, 1 acquired on waivers, 7 UDFA.
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Post by lowfbiq on Feb 2, 2019 16:26:06 GMT -5
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Feb 2, 2019 16:44:42 GMT -5
The initial evaluations of the QB's being drafted is less than enthusiastic except for the NFL network... The question is if one of the higher rated QB's slips to 32 I wonder if BB will jump in the QB pool... If he doesn't draft one at all, he's better be prepared for failure.. Or is Ekling the next patriot starter ?? I disagree, particularly if you are saying they need to jump in if one of the higher-rated QBs is available. The way it looks like now, the QBs coming out are no better than some of QBs already in the NFL when they came out. I would not be surprised BB picks up a QB from prior classes, but who has NFL film, and has looked like a bust but they see something in the film they can fix.
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Post by fisher on Feb 2, 2019 17:32:44 GMT -5
The initial evaluations of the QB's being drafted is less than enthusiastic except for the NFL network... The question is if one of the higher rated QB's slips to 32 I wonder if BB will jump in the QB pool... If he doesn't draft one at all, he's better be prepared for failure.. Or is Ekling the next patriot starter ?? I disagree, particularly if you are saying they need to jump in if one of the higher-rated QBs is available. The way it looks like now, the QBs coming out are no better than some of QBs already in the NFL when they came out. I would not be surprised BB picks up a QB from prior classes, but who has NFL film, and has looked like a bust but they see something in the film they can fix. We will never know how BB's board is set up so I was curious if a QB that was high the board maybe he knows that in 2 of 3 years max TB12's gone and a replacement is needed... For instance Jones from Duke slides.. Has all the measurables but needs time.. I didn't understand you ideA of picking up a QB from previous years drafts... Like Bortles???
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Feb 2, 2019 18:31:34 GMT -5
I disagree, particularly if you are saying they need to jump in if one of the higher-rated QBs is available. The way it looks like now, the QBs coming out are no better than some of QBs already in the NFL when they came out. I would not be surprised BB picks up a QB from prior classes, but who has NFL film, and has looked like a bust but they see something in the film they can fix. We will never know how BB's board is set up so I was curious if a QB that was high the board maybe he knows that in 2 of 3 years max TB12's gone and a replacement is needed... For instance Jones from Duke slides.. Has all the measurables but needs time.. I didn't understand you ideA of picking up a QB from previous years drafts... Like Bortles??? I am saying there is no point in picking up a QB high in the draft when the top-rated QB this year does not look better than top-/mid-round QBs in prior years, but who have NFL snaps under them. I believe the coaching staff will know more about a QB based on NFL snaps than college snaps. And just because a 3-year QB did not light fire in the NFL does not mean he is incapable of winning the SB. Perfect example is Foles. Look there is no QB who fits the Mahomes template. If you;re looking for the next TB, good luck. Nobody knows what a college QB who could become TB looks like because he, coming out of college, looked like practically every decent QB to come out of college over the past 15 years. You might as well trade to get pick 199 and hope that you get lucky again. Bortles? I hope not. I don't believe he has the requisite intelligence and work ethic. But if BB does pick up Bortles, what now? BB would have 100X the amount of information I have about Bortles. I have faith in their ability to coach people up, including QB. If they pick up someone because they think he can be coached up, I am all for it.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Feb 3, 2019 8:29:35 GMT -5
RE: Drafting a QB in the 2019 Class...
It's known that I love Murray as a prospect, but I just can't see BB taking him high, unless he believes him to be fully committed to being the face of a franchise. And unless they're extremely high on Daniel Jones, and he's available, I really don't see them taking a QB before Day 3... or maybe Rd 3/4 (so, one of their comp picks) at the earliest.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Feb 3, 2019 8:55:26 GMT -5
So go get Ole Miss QB Jordan Ta'amu in the middle rounds and be done with it.
Or maybe Easton Stick as a Rd 7 or UDFA QB.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 9:08:35 GMT -5
I know I'm looking at RB's, but I like it. Another kid, that I like that if he drops down is Iowa St. David Montgomery. Tough SOB, with good balance. A Forward Runner, meaning even it he gets hit, he gains something.
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Post by fisher on Feb 3, 2019 11:10:23 GMT -5
So go get Ole Miss QB Jordan Ta'amu in the middle rounds and be done with it. Or maybe Easton Stick as a Rd 7 or UDFA QB. Haven't heard anything about Etling from last year so as I have not looked at Ta'amu or Stick, are either showing better their year than Etling did last year at LSU??? Curious if he's showing enough to the QB coach and BB to be kept
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Post by lowfbiq on Feb 3, 2019 12:38:18 GMT -5
Twenty percent of the players on the Patriots roster grew up in a military/law enforcement household.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Feb 3, 2019 13:30:31 GMT -5
So go get Ole Miss QB Jordan Ta'amu in the middle rounds and be done with it. Or maybe Easton Stick as a Rd 7 or UDFA QB. Haven't heard anything about Etling from last year so as I have not looked at Ta'amu or Stick, are either showing better their year than Etling did last year at LSU??? Curious if he's showing enough to the QB coach and BB to be kept At the end of the day, they prob all fit into the "developmental QB" category, though I feel like Ta'amu prob has the most upside of the three.
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Post by jjdbrasil on Feb 3, 2019 14:29:24 GMT -5
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Feb 3, 2019 22:39:50 GMT -5
After seeing Hogan get zero separation today, I would be excited with this pick
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Post by thejuice on Feb 3, 2019 23:34:58 GMT -5
We have 3 wrs hitting free agency. Even if one or two are brought back, i expect a double dip at the position this offseason be it 2 in the draft or 1 in FA and one in the draft. We need youth and talent at the position big time
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Post by tg19pats on Feb 4, 2019 9:54:46 GMT -5
we got 6, now lets get ready to build for 7, hoping to keep both Brown and Flowers next year and think gronk retiring is 50/50. just saw a mock draft that had the iowa tight end fall to us in first round. would love that. need speed at wr, a possible brady replacement and some beef on dline in my eyes.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Feb 4, 2019 11:21:53 GMT -5
we got 6, now lets get ready to build for 7, hoping to keep both Brown and Flowers next year and think gronk retiring is 50/50. just saw a mock draft that had the iowa tight end fall to us in first round. would love that. need speed at wr, a possible brady replacement and some beef on dline in my eyes. Flowers is certainly the key FA. I'd also love to have Brown back, but we know they won't overpay for him... and the belief is that Wynn could take over at LT, which I would agree with. We just don't know how BB/Scar feel about it. The mock had Hockenson or Fant falling to them? Hockenson would be the top player on my board, and landing him would qualify as "best case scenario", IMO. And I can only imagine having both he and Gronk on the field at the same time. With that said, my gut tells me that Gronk is gonna hang'em up... and go out on top.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Feb 4, 2019 11:33:45 GMT -5
After seeing Hogan get zero separation today, I would be excited with this pick He could be a legit WR1 for them, but would be fantastic pared with Jules... as both are supremely adept at separating, and making players.
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Post by wazzu on Feb 4, 2019 11:39:49 GMT -5
Hey Everyone! First off, big time congrats on #6! That was an amazing season. Now, I have a scenario for you all. If Hockenson was on the board at #21 and Seattle was willing to give NE #21 and #211 (7th) for #32 and #73 (3rd), would you do it if you were BB? I think I would. Thoughts?
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Feb 4, 2019 11:55:09 GMT -5
Hey Everyone! First off, big time congrats on #6! That was an amazing season. Now, I have a scenario for you all. If Hockenson was on the board at #21 and Seattle was willing to give NE #21 and #211 (7th) for #32 and #73 (3rd), would you do it if you were BB? I think I would. Thoughts? What a f'n win, and finish to the season! That's a great question... personally, I'd do that deal all day as I think Hockenson is gonna be a top tier TE at the NFL level, and would be the best possible successor to Gronk.
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Feb 4, 2019 12:05:07 GMT -5
Perfect year for bill to trade up and get the player he wants.
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