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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 10, 2019 13:36:22 GMT -5
Two of the top 10 WR route runners in this class are why they had success in college, because it certainly wasn't their speed or athleticism. Ridley & Renfrow Other top route running WRs in this class imo are: Stanley Morgan Jakobi Meyers Deebo Samuel Keelan Doss Keesean Johnson Diontae Johnson DeMarkus Lodge Terry McLaurin Darius Slayton Cody Thompson Marquise Brown Agreed on Ridley and Renfrow. I also think JJAW is very good. His TD vs. Oregon (first thing shown in the tape below) is fantastic... completely dusts his guy, in man coverage. MB with all due respect, I classify that more as a release and if it was a release list he would be right up there. He has a great release. Agreed. I'll add for a big(tall) WR he is much better than that profile type typically are at running routes.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 10, 2019 13:46:08 GMT -5
Agreed on Ridley and Renfrow. I also think JJAW is very good. His TD vs. Oregon (first thing shown in the tape below) is fantastic... completely dusts his guy, in man coverage. MB with all due respect, I classify that more as a release and if it was a release list he would be right up there. He has a great release. Agreed. I'll add for a big(tall) WR he is much better than that profile type typically are at running routes. He gets a free release (wasn't pressed), and his route creates the separation and resulting TD.
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Post by thejuice on Apr 10, 2019 13:57:21 GMT -5
True but he was out with an injury for a large part of the season, likely a huge if not the sole reason he couldn’t get onto the field at the end of the season. He was with the team all year, went through the indoctrination period before stored away for the 1st half of the regular season. Activated the bye week so he had the whole bye week to practice, the next 6 weeks of the regular season to practice and beat someone out. Another bye week to practice and beat someone out and two more playoff weeks to practice and beat someone out before the superbowl. Never beat anyone out. He was pick 56. Like I said, it will be interesting to see how he progresses this year. He basically has all the same dudes in front of him and if they draft or bring in another UDFA to compete he'll have to contend with that competition as well. Some guys it takes a little longer but it wasn't like he came from a lower level of play. Hoping for the best. Excellent points not disagreeing with you was just pointing out the fact. Jc Jackson was the only non vet he could’ve possible player over last year, and if is just a better player all around. It will be interesting for sure.
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Post by mrmojo112058 on Apr 10, 2019 14:15:40 GMT -5
nesn.com/2019/04/bill-belichick-details-how-patriots-swing-nfl-draft-day-trades/The New England Patriots have 12 selections in the 2019 NFL Draft. The chances of the Patriots actually keeping all of those picks and making selections where they’re currently slotted is zilch. Let’s just say the odds would be off the board. The Patriots have made 21 trades to move up in the draft since Bill Belichick became head coach in 2000. They’ve made 24 trades to move down in the draft and 25 more involving players and/or future considerations. That’s 70 total picks involving draft picks in just 19 drafts, averaging 3.7 per year. Belichick broke down how the Patriots assess value on those trades Wednesday during his pre-draft news conference. He was asked if the Patriots still use the draft trade value chart put together by Jimmy Johnson in the 1990s. “I would say that, in general, the trades over the last several years, for the most part, have been, let’s call them within 5 to 10 percent, pretty equitable trades,” Belichick said. “So, for you to have a chart that’s different than the other 31 charts isn’t really that productive because now we’re just arguing about which chart — ‘My chart says this. Your chart says that.’ I’d say officially or unofficially — well, it’s unofficially — but I would say everybody probably uses about the same value chart. I’d say in our draft trade negotiations through the years, especially the last two or three years, there hasn’t been a lot of, ‘My chart says this. Your chart says that.’ “Now 10 or 15 years ago there was some of that. ‘Oh, here’s what we think it should be.’ Well, the other team’s in a different ballpark because they’re looking at a different chart. I would say that when you look at the trades now, over the past few years, a majority of them fall within what we would say is a range of a fair trade. What the going rate would be is what the team gave up and what the team got is about what you would expect them to get, whether it’s our trade or not. I’m just looking league-wide.” It’s certainly interesting that an unspoken agreement has been made between teams to facilitate draft-day trades. It also complicates matters when a veteran player is involved in the trade. The Patriots should be looking to acquire a veteran pass catcher during or around the draft since their wide receiver and tight end depth is barren. “Veteran players, depending on their age, contract situation and level of play — again, we have comparables that we would look at on that, so a starter, rotational player, a backup, a player that has a certain amount of playtime or a player that has a certain amount of production, that there are comparables of those trades, whether it be player-for-player trades or player-for-pick trades,” Belichick said. “And again, certainly there are trades that fall outside of whatever the norm is, but we have norms that we look at it and that’s the norm. “And you can do better than that, or you probably feel like that’s maybe about as good as you can do, assuming there isn’t an unusual situation — whether it’s a high demand for the player and it’s below that — then you decide whether or not you want to accept maybe a little less than market value for the trade, but you still feel like the trade benefits your team, so you decide to do it. But, yeah, certainly the player-for-player or player-for-pick trades are different than the pick-for-pick trades, but we try to evaluate those, as well. And a lot of it, again, is placed on playtime, production and age and salary because salary is definitely a factor in what the trade value of a player is.”
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 10, 2019 17:30:41 GMT -5
updated with all the info I have(official 10 and 20 yard split times). Still do not have a SPARQ score for Dawson Knox after his pro day yet. Also added Austin Seferian-Jenkins. Don't have any SPARQ data older than about the past 6 years but in that time there really have not been any very successful TEs in the NFL with SPARQ scores lower than 104. ...and even that is pushing it a bit. Some SPARQ scores of some recent TEs showing some success in the league: Kittle = 143 Engram = 137 Howard = 130 Goedert = 127 James = 121 Ebron = 116 Andrews = 115 Burton = 113 Henry = 111
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Post by ucmiami on Apr 10, 2019 19:51:15 GMT -5
We don't talk about it much, but I have to believe having Scar around has to be good for developing in line blocking skills with TEs. The technical teaching he can give has to be a plus for those TE coming in with less than great blocking reps. If they have desire to develop they should improve significantly.
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 10, 2019 20:39:58 GMT -5
Two of the top 10 WR route runners in this class are why they had success in college, because it certainly wasn't their speed or athleticism. Ridley & Renfrow Other top route running WRs in this class imo are: Stanley Morgan Jakobi Meyers Deebo Samuel Keelan Doss Keesean Johnson Diontae Johnson DeMarkus Lodge Terry McLaurin Darius Slayton Cody Thompson Marquise Brown Who are the top guys on YAC? I really like Isabella or Samuel for where TB is in his career.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 10, 2019 21:11:53 GMT -5
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 10, 2019 21:18:41 GMT -5
Really falling in love with Stanley Morgan Jr
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Post by patslifer on Apr 10, 2019 21:55:01 GMT -5
Really falling in love with Stanley Morgan Jr Love is a strong word. Curious as to why?
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 10, 2019 22:17:21 GMT -5
Really falling in love with Stanley Morgan Jr Love is a strong word. Curious as to why? Might be the single best route runner I've seen in this class, easily top 5. Great hands and hand placement/technique. Quick. Can accelerate quickly. Can decelerate quickly. Intense blocker than really gets defenders pissed off because they are not expecting it. Can track a deep ball over the top, something that many great underneath route runners are not always so good at. (Ex. Renfrow, and that is not a knock on Renfrow. It is more common than you would think.) He makes me think of players like Brandon Llyod and Ocho Cinco in their abilities. ...and this is a small thing but he performed every rep at the combine at full speed. Gauntlet, all the routes, etc. No jogging/cheating the drills. 2nd fastest 3Cone time at the combine for WRs 4th fastest Short shuttle of the WRs 14th ranked SPARQ score in the entire WR class(out of approx 90 total SPARQ scores) 4 year starter and his production has gone up year over year with 70 recs and over 1000 yards this past season. Frankly I am confused as to why more people are not talking about him, actually I know why. People only talk non stop about players that might go in the 1st 10-15 picks, or at most top 40 picks or so.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 23:18:25 GMT -5
Actually Stanley Morgan Jr. is tailored made for this Offense.
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Post by patslifer on Apr 11, 2019 6:18:05 GMT -5
Love is a strong word. Curious as to why? Might be the single best route runner I've seen in this class, easily top 5. Great hands and hand placement/technique. Quick. Can accelerate quickly. Can decelerate quickly. Intense blocker than really gets defenders pissed off because they are not expecting it. Can track a deep ball over the top, something that many great underneath route runners are not always so good at. (Ex. Renfrow, and that is not a knock on Renfrow. It is more common than you would think.) He makes me think of players like Brandon Llyod and Ocho Cinco in their abilities. ...and this is a small thing but he performed every rep at the combine at full speed. Gauntlet, all the routes, etc. No jogging/cheating the drills. 2nd fastest 3Cone time at the combine for WRs 4th fastest Short shuttle of the WRs 14th ranked SPARQ score in the entire WR class(out of approx 90 total SPARQ scores) 4 year starter and his production has gone up year over year with 70 recs and over 1000 yards this past season. Frankly I am confused as to why more people are not talking about him, actually I know why. People only talk non stop about players that might go in the 1st 10-15 picks, or at most top 40 picks or so. Agree. On nfl combine site, Morgan’s comped to Adam Humphries. I can see that but also agree on your comps to Lloyd. Morgan isn’t flashy. He’s not 6’5” or running 4.3 forty.I don’t think he garners. A Lot of attention because of it. Kind of a forgotten man in a way. He seems like a technician to me with very good fundamentals.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 11, 2019 8:29:03 GMT -5
Really falling in love with Stanley Morgan Jr TDN has really talked him up, primarily due to his route running (not often easy to see on tape, unless you have the all 22, and professional approach to the game. I also enjoyed his tenacity as a blocker (as you've mentioned), as he generally seemed to attack the DB in space, extending his hands/arms with a jolt. He'll be on my final board, prob in the middle round range. And, I mean... his name is Stanley Morgan... so he should be on every Patriots fans board. haha
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Post by ATJ on Apr 11, 2019 8:35:58 GMT -5
Really falling in love with Stanley Morgan Jr TDN has really talked him up, primarily due to his route running (not often easy to see on tape, unless you have the all 22, and professional approach to the game. I also enjoyed his tenacity as a blocker (as you've mentioned), as he generally seemed to attack the DB in space, extending his hands/arms with a jolt. He'll be on my final board, prob in the middle round range. And, I mean... his name is Stanley Morgan... so he should be on every Patriots fans board. haha Echoing MBs comments, I don’t care if he’s a dog - with that name the Pats should draft him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 10:43:37 GMT -5
I keep looking at an Offensive Swing Tackle, with versatility as a team need this Draft. And I'm fitting in Bobby Evans in somewhere in my Draft. Because of him, its making it easier, for me in the First Round. I'm leaning Tillery, just like his Power, and speed. Another kid that is versatile. Inside and Out, with BB, could be special.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 11, 2019 11:24:44 GMT -5
I keep looking at an Offensive Swing Tackle, with versatility as a team need this Draft. And I'm fitting in Bobby Evans in somewhere in my Draft. Because of him, its making it easier, for me in the First Round. I'm leaning Tillery, just like his Power, and speed. Another kid that is versatile. Inside and Out, with BB, could be special. Could be a solid get as a mid-round RT/OG, yeah.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 11, 2019 12:10:40 GMT -5
Man Trevon Wesco sure seems like he would be a perfect Dwayne Allen replacement. Can block his butt off. Versatile as all hell(catch, block, play fullback). A better overall athlete and also quicker than people think considering he is pushing 270.
Combine numbers:
Dwayne Allen = 6'3 255, 33" arms, 9 5/8" hands, 4.89 40, 27 BP, 7.12 3C, 4.37 SS Trevon Wesco = 6'3 267, 34.75" arms, 9.5" hands, 4.89 40, 24 BP, 7.18 3C, 4.38 SS
He was also a former QB so there is also that...
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Post by mrmojo112058 on Apr 11, 2019 12:15:41 GMT -5
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Post by patslifer on Apr 11, 2019 12:23:16 GMT -5
I keep looking at an Offensive Swing Tackle, with versatility as a team need this Draft. And I'm fitting in Bobby Evans in somewhere in my Draft. Because of him, its making it easier, for me in the First Round. I'm leaning Tillery, just like his Power, and speed. Another kid that is versatile. Inside and Out, with BB, could be special. Could be a solid get as a mid-round RT/OG, yeah. I like Evans. If Cajuste drops due to his surgery, he's my swing tackle acquisition .
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 11, 2019 13:01:02 GMT -5
I could see both Brown and Samuel doing Flashes role. I am curious where do you fit different WR's in this class for the Pats roles in the offense when they decide to run a 3 receiver set: Without getting technical on people let's just say the roles operate underneath(LOS - 5yd+), intermediate(5-10+), and deep(10-15+) Which receivers have the ability to play all three and where are they best suited though? ...and which role do you feel is the most pressing need to fill?
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 11, 2019 13:03:09 GMT -5
There is a ton of continual talk of projecting a possible trade of 32+73 to the Seahawks for no. 21.
My question to you all is who needs to be on the board for you to strongly want to make that move?
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Post by thejuice on Apr 11, 2019 13:06:28 GMT -5
There is a ton of continual talk of projecting a possible trade of 32+73 to the Seahawks for no. 21. My question to you all is who needs to be on the board for you to strongly want to make that move? To trade up to 21, hockenson. I’d trade up to mid 20s for guys like Fant and Ferrell or A.J. Brown
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Post by TrueChamp on Apr 11, 2019 13:55:30 GMT -5
Can we please bypass the draft and sign all 3 of these guys to contracts...
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Post by patslifer on Apr 11, 2019 14:02:16 GMT -5
There is a ton of continual talk of projecting a possible trade of 32+73 to the Seahawks for no. 21. My question to you all is who needs to be on the board for you to strongly want to make that move? Hockenson. He's the only "elite" TE in this draft and I think he will develop into a special player and give us a ton year 1. I considered some of the OL, DL, S prospects at this point and I think I'd rather wait until we are on the board again in round 2.
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