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Post by patslifer on Mar 12, 2020 13:48:43 GMT -5
Brady wants to give himself the best chance to win ring #7. He wants the easiest path.Why is that difficult to understand, what are you struggling with? This has absolutely nothing to do with a debunked hit piece written by some clown 4 years ago. is that Tampa, yes or no? if Tampa offers 2/$70 guaranteed and the Pats offer 2/$50 with $35 guaranteed, does TB go for the money or winning SB #7? TB will sweeten the pot for TB12. Giving him say over the roster, other free agents, + play calling. If true, I'd take that + the cash.
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Post by Wozzy on Mar 12, 2020 13:57:46 GMT -5
is that Tampa, yes or no? if Tampa offers 2/$70 guaranteed and the Pats offer 2/$50 with $35 guaranteed, does TB go for the money or winning SB #7? Tampa has the best receiving weapons; Evans, Godwin, OJ Howard, Brate, Justin Watson, Scott Miller... they drafted them all btw. But receiving weapons alone won't win you a ring... Their offensive line outside of guard Ali Marpet and center Ryan Jensen is terrible. Tackle Josh Wells (free agent) is the only other talent there and he's average/good at best. That means they need 2-3 OL starters at least and some depth because no way all these guys stay healthy. Their RB's are thoroughly ordinary, average talents at best. The defense was ranked 17th in the NFL last season, the strength of that D was the defensive tackles and LB'ers. They were the best run stopping team in the NFL. DT's Ndamukong Suh, Beau Allen, Rakeem Nunez-Roches are all free agents and they'll need to sign some of them. Jason Pierre-Paul was their only DE worth a damn and he's old as well as a one-handed free agent. LB Shaquil Barrett led them in sacks and he's a free agent. They have two corners who were rookies last year with potential/talent; Jamel Dean, Sean Bunting. Outside of those two the defensive backfield is a deadzone, though Mike Edwards may emerge at safety.... in short, the defense needs a lot of work. So rebuilt offensive line, rebuilt defense and possibly a better RB... thats a lot to fix in one offseason and also sign the star QB. But they have good coaching, they can muster hope around that.
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Post by muzwell on Mar 12, 2020 14:19:22 GMT -5
Hey, I don't know where Tom is going but by my reckoning, the Bruins just won the Stanley Cup! No more hockey, they lead the league in points, might have to hold off on the parade though.
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Post by rkarp on Mar 12, 2020 14:41:12 GMT -5
is that Tampa, yes or no? if Tampa offers 2/$70 guaranteed and the Pats offer 2/$50 with $35 guaranteed, does TB go for the money or winning SB #7? Tampa has the best receiving weapons; Evans, Godwin, OJ Howard, Brate, Justin Watson, Scott Miller... they drafted them all btw. But receiving weapons alone won't win you a ring... Their offensive line outside of guard Ali Marpet and center Ryan Jensen is terrible. Tackle Josh Wells (free agent) is the only other talent there and he's average/good at best. That means they need 2-3 OL starters at least and some depth because no way all these guys stay healthy. Their RB's are thoroughly ordinary, average talents at best. The defense was ranked 17th in the NFL last season, the strength of that D was the defensive tackles and LB'ers. They were the best run stopping team in the NFL. DT's Ndamukong Suh, Beau Allen, Rakeem Nunez-Roches are all free agents and they'll need to sign some of them. Jason Pierre-Paul was their only DE worth a damn and he's old as well as a one-handed free agent. LB Shaquil Barrett led them in sacks and he's a free agent. They have two corners who were rookies last year with potential/talent; Jamel Dean, Sean Bunting. Outside of those two the defensive backfield is a deadzone, though Mike Edwards may emerge at safety.... in short, the defense needs a lot of work. So rebuilt offensive line, rebuilt defense and possibly a better RB... thats a lot to fix in one offseason and also sign the star QB. But they have good coaching, they can muster hope around that. WHAT? you have been all over this forum trashing TB and telling us his weapons are fine, but he is the problem then you go on to say that Tampa has the best receiving weapons will Brady make a 7 win team a playoff team, with a weak OL and weak defense?
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Post by Wozzy on Mar 12, 2020 15:36:59 GMT -5
WHAT? you have been all over this forum trashing TB and telling us his weapons are fine, but he is the problem then you go on to say that Tampa has the best receiving weapons will Brady make a 7 win team a playoff team, with a weak OL and weak defense? I never trashed Tom Brady. When he played well I said so, and vice versa. The TE's outside of Watson and Lacosse last year weren't good, Watson was a casualty to begin the season when AB took his money and Lacosse was hurt most of the season. Lacosse is an average talent, but he's not without talent. The WR's were "good" as far as talent goes. Amendola wasn't an amazing athlete, he was a good athlete like Jakobi and Gunner. N'Keal is a superior talent. If you don't bother to develop the young talent in N'Keal, Jakobi and Gunner than pouting about the talent late in the season for being unready is your own fault. Will Brady make a 7 win team a playoff team? Last years Bucs team is not this year's team. I think strength of schedule predictions prior to free agency and the draft are garbage. We don't know who the teams are yet, so there's no predicting how good they will be. I predicted San Francisco to be in the Super Bowl before the season began not because they were favorites, they weren't they were longshots. And not because I possess some innate ability for predictions or to see into the future. It was possible because when camp ended and the teams were whittled from 90 man rosters down to 53, the 49ers had the most talented roster in the NFL according to Wozzy's Draft Guide. You don't believe talent is measurable or that measurables matter at all, which is silly... but that's neither here nor there. Tom will look at the Bucs roster and love the weapons. He'll have to trust Bruce Arians if he tells him they will throw the whole weight of their resources at fixing the rest of the roster. I can't predict whether they have done so until after free agency and the draft play out, even then... all those talented players will have to make it through camp healthy. That's a long ways away...
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Post by rkarp on Mar 12, 2020 15:52:22 GMT -5
WHAT? you have been all over this forum trashing TB and telling us his weapons are fine, but he is the problem then you go on to say that Tampa has the best receiving weapons will Brady make a 7 win team a playoff team, with a weak OL and weak defense? I never trashed Tom Brady. When he played well I said so, and vice versa. The TE's outside of Watson and Lacosse last year weren't good, Watson was a casualty to begin the season when AB took his money and Lacosse was hurt most of the season. Lacosse is an average talent, but he's not without talent. The WR's were "good" as far as talent goes. Amendola wasn't an amazing athlete, he was a good athlete like Jakobi and Gunner. N'Keal is a superior talent. If you don't bother to develop the young talent in N'Keal, Jakobi and Gunner than pouting about the talent late in the season for being unready is your own fault. Will Brady make a 7 win team a playoff team? Last years Bucs team is not this year's team. I think strength of schedule predictions prior to free agency and the draft are garbage. We don't know who the teams are yet, so there's no predicting how good they will be. I predicted San Francisco to be in the Super Bowl before the season began not because they were favorites, they weren't they were longshots. And not because I possess some innate ability for predictions or to see into the future. It was possible because when camp ended and the teams were whittled from 90 man rosters down to 53, the 49ers had the most talented roster in the NFL according to Wozzy's Draft Guide. You don't believe talent is measurable or that measurables matter at all, which is silly... but that's neither here nor there. Tom will look at the Bucs roster and love the weapons. He'll have to trust Bruce Arians if he tells him they will throw the whole weight of their resources at fixing the rest of the roster. I can't predict whether they have done so until after free agency and the draft play out, even then... all those talented players will have to make it through camp healthy. That's a long ways away... your saying Tampa is a good spot because they have good weapons, but a weak OL and D you have said repeatedly the Pats weapons are fine, it is Brady that isn't. you said the OL was healthy and playing great, as were the RB's ...yet the offense sputtered because of Brady will Tampa's offense sputter with Brady? if yes why?
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Post by TrueChamp on Mar 12, 2020 15:59:17 GMT -5
Hey, I don't know where Tom is going but by my reckoning, the Bruins just won the Stanley Cup! No more hockey, they lead the league in points, might have to hold off on the parade though. Can we make this a thing? Bruins Stanley Cup CHAMPS! YES!!!!
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Post by TrueChamp on Mar 12, 2020 15:59:39 GMT -5
I watched the whole series it was great. We swept em CHAMPS
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Post by Wozzy on Mar 12, 2020 17:25:08 GMT -5
your saying Tampa is a good spot because they have good weapons, but a weak OL and D you have said repeatedly the Pats weapons are fine, it is Brady that isn't. you said the OL was healthy and playing great, as were the RB's ...yet the offense sputtered because of Brady will Tampa's offense sputter with Brady? if yes why? I never said Tampa was a good spot. It could potentially be if they fix all the holes, but I never said that. I said they have the best receiving weapons. They also have cap space, but with a lot of holes to fill. Also one has to consider the alternatives. Reports are surfacing that say Tennessee is pushing to re-sign Tannehill, SF is happy with Jimmy, the Raiders are sticking with Carr... I don't know if these reports are true, but if so Tom's options are drying up. I think if you stop trying to catch me in some Rkarp trap and read what I wrote instead of creating a fictional version of what I say, if you stop lying and saying I'm "trashing Brady" you'll understand my position that much better. You want the board to think I hate Brady because it's something the fanboys will rally behind, it gives you ammo to use against me... and we all know you have an unhealthy obsession with me the way you mention me at every turn. The reality is life isn't black or white, it is full of nuance and ever changing. Tom in 2020 isn't Tom from 10 years ago.
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Post by Wozzy on Mar 14, 2020 22:09:38 GMT -5
Umm...? 1) using Zo as a source for why something isn't Brady's fault(whether it is or isn't) flies directly in the face of your statement below, which I agreed with. Zo ain't never saying a bad word about Brady. 2) Practice player of the week DOES indeed exist(and easily can be confused, with Patriot of the week, etc. MOST Importantly, It is NOT only practice squad players. 1) So you think Brady got Hogan hurt intentionally or otherwise? 2) So you think Brady is running the scout team in practice? Did he also expect his teammates to call him "sir?"
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Post by lowfbiq on Mar 15, 2020 16:10:34 GMT -5
Umm...? 1) using Zo as a source for why something isn't Brady's fault(whether it is or isn't) flies directly in the face of your statement below, which I agreed with. Zo ain't never saying a bad word about Brady. 2) Practice player of the week DOES indeed exist(and easily can be confused, with Patriot of the week, etc. MOST Importantly, It is NOT only practice squad players. 1) So you think Brady got Hogan hurt intentionally or otherwise? 2) So you think Brady is running the scout team in practice? Did he also expect his teammates to call him "sir?" What does you contradicting yourself have to do with me supposedly thinking he intentionally got someone hurt lmao Doesn't change the fact ZO pee brain is never going to say anything negative about his boy and fellow QB SMH Again, what does you being flat out wrong about player of the week being practice squad players only have to do with who is running scout team QB? Oh brother.
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Mar 15, 2020 16:12:29 GMT -5
1) So you think Brady got Hogan hurt intentionally or otherwise? 2) So you think Brady is running the scout team in practice? Did he also expect his teammates to call him "sir?" What does you contradicting yourself have to do with me supposedly thinking he intentionally got someone hurt lmao Doesn't change the fact ZO pee brain is never going to say anything negative about his boy and fellow QB SMH Again, what does you being flat out wrong about player of the week being practice squad players only have to do with who is running scout team QB? Oh brother. You act like Brady’s some old scrub and can’t play anymore. Just say he’s finish and that’s it.
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Post by Wozzy on Mar 15, 2020 16:26:56 GMT -5
What does you contradicting yourself have to do with me supposedly thinking he intentionally got someone hurt lmao Doesn't change the fact ZO pee brain is never going to say anything negative about his boy and fellow QB SMH Again, what does you being flat out wrong about player of the week being practice squad players only have to do with who is running scout team QB? Oh brother. I'm assuming you're agreeing with Wicker-sham. Brady got blamed for hurting Hogan... sounds likely when you watch that play, whether Zo is saying it or not. And yeah, Brady is a prime candidate for practice player of the week because he's an obvious candidate to be the scout QB... not Hoyer or Stidham or even Nick Caeserio.
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Post by lowfbiq on Mar 15, 2020 16:44:52 GMT -5
What does you contradicting yourself have to do with me supposedly thinking he intentionally got someone hurt lmao Doesn't change the fact ZO pee brain is never going to say anything negative about his boy and fellow QB SMH Again, what does you being flat out wrong about player of the week being practice squad players only have to do with who is running scout team QB? Oh brother. You act like Brady’s some old scrub and can’t play anymore. Just say he’s finish and that’s it. What exactly did I say that had anything to do with Bradys play? Wozzy said practice player of the week is a practice squad player ONLY award. It is NOT. Wozzy in a different post/thread RIGHTFULLY said its not a great idea to use a former QB as proof of anything regarding another QB as they do not often call them out. He then did exactly that in the post I replied to and I simply said whether Zo was correct or not it's the same premise, not a good idea to use a fellow former QB to support a claim as they are not going to call out a buddy QB. I said nothing about if the point was valid or not valid. YOU are simply pissed because you have zero idea what you are talking about as far as if receivers were open or not so you want to chime in. ...because obviously this discussion with Wozzy had NOTHING to do with Brady's play.
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Post by lowfbiq on Mar 15, 2020 16:49:04 GMT -5
What does you contradicting yourself have to do with me supposedly thinking he intentionally got someone hurt lmao Doesn't change the fact ZO pee brain is never going to say anything negative about his boy and fellow QB SMH Again, what does you being flat out wrong about player of the week being practice squad players only have to do with who is running scout team QB? Oh brother. I'm assuming you're agreeing with Wicker-sham. Brady got blamed for hurting Hogan... sounds likely when you watch that play, whether Zo is saying it or not. And yeah, Brady is a prime candidate for practice player of the week because he's an obvious candidate to be the scout QB... not Hoyer or Stidham or even Nick Caeserio. I wasn't agreeing with Wickerscam. If you read my post , which I would of assume you did and not just knee jerk reacted, you would know I never said anything about agreeing with Wickerscam. Only that using a QB as proof of something toward another QB isn't a great idea(for the very reason you already said yourself in a different post/thread), and that practice players of the week do NOT have to be practice squad players only. Nothing more.
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Mar 15, 2020 17:11:01 GMT -5
is that Tampa, yes or no? if Tampa offers 2/$70 guaranteed and the Pats offer 2/$50 with $35 guaranteed, does TB go for the money or winning SB #7? TB will sweeten the pot for TB12. Giving him say over the roster, other free agents, + play calling. If true, I'd take that + the cash. The more I think about it the more I believe TB going to TBB for a big deal like that might be the best offseason outcome for both TB and the Pats.
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Post by TrueChamp on Mar 15, 2020 18:11:35 GMT -5
TB will sweeten the pot for TB12. Giving him say over the roster, other free agents, + play calling. If true, I'd take that + the cash. The more I think about it the more I believe TB going to TBB for a big deal like that might be the best offseason outcome for both TB and the Pats. The best possible outcome is to sign Tom Brady and a TE and win the superbowl. The 2nd best possible outcome is to move on from Tom Brady and win the superbowl.
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Mar 15, 2020 18:14:34 GMT -5
The more I think about it the more I believe TB going to TBB for a big deal like that might be the best offseason outcome for both TB and the Pats. The best possible outcome is to sign Tom Brady and a TE and win the superbowl. The 2nd best possible outcome is to move on from Tom Brady and win the superbowl. People talk about that like NE is guaranteed to win a SB if TB plays for NE in 2020.
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Post by philskiw on Mar 15, 2020 18:16:29 GMT -5
The best possible outcome is to sign Tom Brady and a TE and win the superbowl. The 2nd best possible outcome is to move on from Tom Brady and win the superbowl. People talk about that like NE is guaranteed to win a SB if TB plays for NE in 2020. people are also talking that Brady is like manning at the end. Brady is no where that bad.
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Post by carawaydj on Mar 15, 2020 18:18:13 GMT -5
The best possible outcome is to sign Tom Brady and a TE and win the superbowl. The 2nd best possible outcome is to move on from Tom Brady and win the superbowl. People talk about that like NE is guaranteed to win a SB if TB plays for NE in 2020. Those are the best possible outcomes. How likely is another matter. Winning a SB requires all of the stars aligning.
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Mar 15, 2020 18:20:10 GMT -5
People talk about that like NE is guaranteed to win a SB if TB plays for NE in 2020. people are also talking that Brady is like manning at the end. Brady is no where that bad. No. But it is also possible that he is no longer the QB that best fits NE's needs, so why pay him at the level that the top paid QBs are paid?
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Post by TrueChamp on Mar 15, 2020 18:21:54 GMT -5
People talk about that like NE is guaranteed to win a SB if TB plays for NE in 2020. people are also talking that Brady is like manning at the end. Brady is no where that bad. AGREED!
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Post by TrueChamp on Mar 15, 2020 18:23:54 GMT -5
People talk about that like NE is guaranteed to win a SB if TB plays for NE in 2020. Those are the best possible outcomes. How likely is another matter. Winning a SB requires all of the stars aligning. I would say unequivocally the best chance we have is the old Belichick Brady combo that has worked for 20 years. The Belichick whoever combo is an unknown.
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Post by TrueChamp on Mar 15, 2020 18:40:34 GMT -5
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Post by muzwell on Mar 15, 2020 19:30:02 GMT -5
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