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Post by jri37 on Apr 26, 2024 8:25:43 GMT -5
Then why pick him, the 3# pick is MAJOR draft capital. in hindsight, Patriots obviously didn't get a big bag offer... Don’t know but the 3rd pick in the draft better be a major contributing 5 year starter at a minimum.
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Post by jamesbrady2020 on Apr 26, 2024 8:28:08 GMT -5
They just used the #3 pick in the draft and they aren’t going to play him? There is no Aaron Rogers playing in front of him. He is now your marquee player he better play or they should have taken someone else. It's not about who's playing in front of him, it's about making sure you develop him properly now that he's here. We've seen QB's redshirt their first year and its worked wonders for them. Maye is 21. If he becomes a superstar because you didn't throw him to the wolves immediately his first year then that's all that matters. Plus putting Jacoby out there allows him to see first-hand how a real pro manages being a starting QB in the NFL. Brissett is a guy who understands why he's here and he's going to help guide Maye along. Draft your starting LT and top receiver in the next couple of picks, let them develop and when Maye is ready to take over (whether that's 8 games in or next season) the offense will be in better shape and ready for him to start off on the right foot rather than just throwing him out there because they get too antsy. That being said, you also don't shut the door completely. If he defies all expectations and comes in immediately and looks great, then sure start him. But there should be no pressure to do so. We gotta get this right, whatever path that may be.
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Post by rkarp on Apr 26, 2024 8:34:12 GMT -5
They just used the #3 pick in the draft and they aren’t going to play him? There is no Aaron Rogers playing in front of him. He is now your marquee player he better play or they should have taken someone else. It's not about who's playing in front of him, it's about making sure you develop him properly now that he's here. We've seen QB's redshirt their first year and its worked wonders for them. Maye is 21. If he becomes a superstar because you didn't throw him to the wolves immediately his first year then that's all that matters. Plus putting Jacoby out there allows him to see first-hand how a real pro manages being a starting QB in the NFL. Brissett is a guy who understands why he's here and he's going to help guide Maye along. Draft your starting LT and top receiver in the next couple of picks, let them develop and when Maye is ready to take over (whether that's 8 games in or next season) the offense will be in better shape and ready for him to start off on the right foot rather than just throwing him out there because they get too antsy. That being said, you also don't shut the door completely. If he defies all expectations and comes in immediately and looks great, then sure start him. But there should be no pressure to do so. We gotta get this right, whatever path that may be. we saw last year what bad OL play and WR's not on the same page can do to a QB don't let that happen again at any cost, or people will be fired
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 26, 2024 8:34:28 GMT -5
Maye is 21 years old... there's no need to rush.
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Post by jamesbrady2020 on Apr 26, 2024 8:35:48 GMT -5
Exactly. It’s a very good situation for Maye, and NE. There's an outcome that nobody here is considering. The Patriots pick a stud LT in the next round like Patrick Paul or Kingsley Sumiataia and they have a great line... then Jacoby Brissett plays much better than people realized he could play. When the Lions acquired Jared Goff he was considered damaged goods and called a "bridge QB" for the rookie they inevitably took in the draft. Now nobody is talking about replacing Goff, he is a similar player to Brissett... the Pat's need to build a Lion's type line and get him some weapons with their remaining picks. Draft the LT at 34, then WR at 68, let the offense develop an identity similar to the Lions, knock your teeth in and kill you on play-action. Maye thrives on play-action and with his ability to extend plays and make any kind of throw, that could be an incredible combination if they can fix his issues. I'm excited.
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Post by DaPatriots on Apr 26, 2024 8:36:33 GMT -5
A #3 QB should play right away.
Bledsoe did.
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Post by jri37 on Apr 26, 2024 8:37:25 GMT -5
They just used the #3 pick in the draft and they aren’t going to play him? There is no Aaron Rogers playing in front of him. He is now your marquee player he better play or they should have taken someone else. It's not about who's playing in front of him, it's about making sure you develop him properly now that he's here. We've seen QB's redshirt their first year and its worked wonders for them. Maye is 21. If he becomes a superstar because you didn't throw him to the wolves immediately his first year then that's all that matters. Plus putting Jacoby out there allows him to see first-hand how a real pro manages being a starting QB in the NFL. Brissett is a guy who understands why he's here and he's going to help guide Maye along. Draft your starting LT and top receiver in the next couple of picks, let them develop and when Maye is ready to take over (whether that's 8 games in or next season) the offense will be in better shape and ready for him to start off on the right foot rather than just throwing him out there because they get too antsy. That being said, you also don't shut the door completely. If he defies all expectations and comes in immediately and looks great, then sure start him. But there should be no pressure to do so. We gotta get this right, whatever path that may be. The #3 pick in the draft is major capital. The pick should be a major contributor right away for the next 5 years. Picking a developmental player with “potential upside” is a pretty big crap shoot for a pick that high.
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Post by jamesbrady2020 on Apr 26, 2024 8:38:50 GMT -5
A #3 QB should play right away. Bledsoe did. Every QB situation is different. Bledsoe was the number 1 pick. If sitting him ensures they get the best out of him, then why would you force it and risk him busting? We'll be in the same situation then 3 years from now.
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Post by thejuice on Apr 26, 2024 8:41:36 GMT -5
It is something that is planned in advance. Now, hard deadlines can change depending on whether goals are met/not met along the way. Play him sooner if goals are met more quickly or delay play if goals not met along the way. If Brissett is playing great and the kid still needs work on his mechanics, you aren't pulling a vet player playing well. There's no plan to play him by week 8, he either is ready or he's not, and when he's ready it will be visibly apparent in practice. This. Let him get coached up and improve his footwork, etc. there’s no rush to play him. Like BB said last night, you play him when he’s ready…when he’s shown he’s the best qb in the room, that’s when you play him
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Post by jamesbrady2020 on Apr 26, 2024 8:42:40 GMT -5
It's not about who's playing in front of him, it's about making sure you develop him properly now that he's here. We've seen QB's redshirt their first year and its worked wonders for them. Maye is 21. If he becomes a superstar because you didn't throw him to the wolves immediately his first year then that's all that matters. Plus putting Jacoby out there allows him to see first-hand how a real pro manages being a starting QB in the NFL. Brissett is a guy who understands why he's here and he's going to help guide Maye along. Draft your starting LT and top receiver in the next couple of picks, let them develop and when Maye is ready to take over (whether that's 8 games in or next season) the offense will be in better shape and ready for him to start off on the right foot rather than just throwing him out there because they get too antsy. That being said, you also don't shut the door completely. If he defies all expectations and comes in immediately and looks great, then sure start him. But there should be no pressure to do so. We gotta get this right, whatever path that may be. The #3 pick in the draft is major capital. The pick should be a major contributor right away for the next 5 years. Picking a developmental player with “potential upside” is a pretty big crap shoot for a pick that high. He has arguably the highest upside of any player in the draft. I think that's worth a pick that high. It's not like this team is gunning for a Super Bowl next year, we know this is going to be a multi-year rebuild. Let things grow naturally, let the offense develop an identity.
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 26, 2024 8:43:18 GMT -5
Every QB situation is different. Bledsoe was the number 1 pick. If sitting him ensures they get the best out of him, then why would you force it and risk him busting? We'll be in the same situation then 3 years from now. Agreed, if sitting Maye half a season or even a full season develops him into a stud franchise QB... why would you want to rush him? I want Maye to be mentally and physically prepared, build him up, let him watch and emulate Brissett. Jacoby is a great teacher and bridge guy who can win now if they knock it out of the park today and tomorrow with their remaining picks.
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Post by belestrator on Apr 26, 2024 8:43:42 GMT -5
It's not about who's playing in front of him, it's about making sure you develop him properly now that he's here. We've seen QB's redshirt their first year and its worked wonders for them. Maye is 21. If he becomes a superstar because you didn't throw him to the wolves immediately his first year then that's all that matters. Plus putting Jacoby out there allows him to see first-hand how a real pro manages being a starting QB in the NFL. Brissett is a guy who understands why he's here and he's going to help guide Maye along. Draft your starting LT and top receiver in the next couple of picks, let them develop and when Maye is ready to take over (whether that's 8 games in or next season) the offense will be in better shape and ready for him to start off on the right foot rather than just throwing him out there because they get too antsy. That being said, you also don't shut the door completely. If he defies all expectations and comes in immediately and looks great, then sure start him. But there should be no pressure to do so. We gotta get this right, whatever path that may be. we saw last year what bad OL play and WR's not on the same page can do to a QB don't let that happen again at any cost, or people will be fired We also saw last year what crappy QB play can do to a team. Am hopeful that Maye will eventually be a great QB.
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Post by thejuice on Apr 26, 2024 8:44:11 GMT -5
Is he actually a "marquee" player? Maye is being described as a high floor, high ceiling kind of player with potential. Most pundits are saying he should sit. I don't think I've heard from anyone that he should start Game 1.
I do understand that, from your perspective, a #3 pick overall would be expected to play at nfl level by game 1 of his rookie year. But, are those expectations realistic?
Then why pick him, the 3# pick is MAJOR draft capital. And getting the qb position right is the most important thing an nfl franchise can do…even if it means being patient and letting the kid develop
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Post by jri37 on Apr 26, 2024 8:44:37 GMT -5
The #3 pick in the draft is major capital. The pick should be a major contributor right away for the next 5 years. Picking a developmental player with “potential upside” is a pretty big crap shoot for a pick that high. He has arguably the highest upside of any player in the draft. I think that's worth a pick that high. It's not like this team is gunning for a Super Bowl next year, we know this is going to be a multi-year rebuild. Let things grow naturally, let the offense develop an identity. My fingers and toes are crossed they aren’t right back here 3 years from now searching for the unicorn QB. If they drafted him 3rd he should be starting right out of the gate.
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Post by DaPatriots on Apr 26, 2024 8:44:46 GMT -5
A #3 QB should play right away. Bledsoe did. Every QB situation is different. Bledsoe was the number 1 pick. If sitting him ensures they get the best out of him, then why would you force it and risk him busting? We'll be in the same situation then 3 years from now. Practice isn't going to make you as ready as REAL GAME SPEED. Get the process started. The sooner the better. Mac did fine at #15.
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Post by jri37 on Apr 26, 2024 8:46:42 GMT -5
Then why pick him, the 3# pick is MAJOR draft capital. And getting the qb position right is the most important thing an nfl franchise can do…even if it means being patient and letting the kid develop They needed way more than a DEVELOPMENTAL QB on offense. This pick was the…If we screw it up we can’t be blamed it was the safe choice.
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Post by DaPatriots on Apr 26, 2024 8:47:03 GMT -5
Every QB situation is different. Bledsoe was the number 1 pick. If sitting him ensures they get the best out of him, then why would you force it and risk him busting? We'll be in the same situation then 3 years from now. Agreed, if sitting Maye half a season or even a full season develops him into a stud franchise QB... why would you want to rush him? I want Maye to be mentally and physically prepared, build him up, let him watch and emulate Brissett. Jacoby is a great teacher and bridge guy who can win now if they knock it out of the park today and tomorrow with their remaining picks. Why win now? We are rebuilding. The best thing for the franchise is evaluate your #3 pick, lose games, and draft high again in every round.
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Post by jamesbrady2020 on Apr 26, 2024 8:52:08 GMT -5
Every QB situation is different. Bledsoe was the number 1 pick. If sitting him ensures they get the best out of him, then why would you force it and risk him busting? We'll be in the same situation then 3 years from now. Practice isn't going to make you as ready as REAL GAME SPEED. Get the process started. The sooner the better. Mac did fine at #15. Again, different situation. Mac was much more pro-ready at the time, which is one of the reasons they picked him where they did. But ultimately, starting him immediately also potentially backfired in the long run because he didn't get to see how a successful starting QB handles adversity when it inevitably hits. So he didn't know how to handle it when things got bad in 2022 and 2023. I'm not saying they should sit Maye 2-3 years, but he's 21 and got a long way to go here. We have time.
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Post by jamesbrady2020 on Apr 26, 2024 8:54:12 GMT -5
And getting the qb position right is the most important thing an nfl franchise can do…even if it means being patient and letting the kid develop They needed way more than a DEVELOPMENTAL QB on offense. This pick was the…If we screw it up we can’t be blamed it was the safe choice. We could just as easily screw up other picks we trade for too, they're not guarantees either. The draft is never a guarantee. Let's see what they do today at 34 and 68.
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Post by DaPatriots on Apr 26, 2024 8:59:23 GMT -5
Practice isn't going to make you as ready as REAL GAME SPEED. Get the process started. The sooner the better. Mac did fine at #15. Again, different situation. Mac was much more pro-ready at the time, which is one of the reasons they picked him where they did. But ultimately, starting him immediately also potentially backfired in the long run because he didn't get to see how a successful starting QB handles adversity when it inevitably hits. So he didn't know how to handle it when things got bad in 2022 and 2023. I'm not saying they should sit Maye 2-3 years, but he's 21 and got a long way to go here. We have time. Mac failed because he was at his peak when we drafted him. There was nowhere for him to grow to. He didn't fail because we started him right away. This is why Maye needs to start. Also, what the hell are we doing drafting a more pro ready QB at #15 vs #3?
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 26, 2024 9:13:15 GMT -5
Why win now? We are rebuilding. The best thing for the franchise is evaluate your #3 pick, lose games, and draft high again in every round. Garbage… you always play to win, or you teach Maye and the kids how to lose.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 26, 2024 9:15:21 GMT -5
I'm sure others of said it... but, play him when he's ready, and has earned it. They're not in "win now" mode, so there's no reason to force him onto the field prematurely.
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Post by DaPatriots on Apr 26, 2024 9:16:36 GMT -5
Why win now? We are rebuilding. The best thing for the franchise is evaluate your #3 pick, lose games, and draft high again in every round. Garbage… you always play to win, or you teach Maye and the kids how to lose. Yes. Always play to win. But don't cut corners to win. Maye needs EXPERIENCE sooner rather than later for the long term benefit of the franchise.
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Post by backbay on Apr 26, 2024 9:17:11 GMT -5
Well, those who said that no matter what the Pats did there would be happy fans and unhappy fans were right. Start him when he is playing better than Brissett and not a minute earlier. Unless this really was the 2nd coming of the 1983 draft, just sit back and hope Maye is one of the one or two QBs in this draft who won't suck. I liked JJM and Penix, but I'm under no illusion that I can predict QB success in the NFL with enough certainty to get upset over them not picking who I wanted. I'm surprised nobody on this forum has pulled the "I was right about Mac so trust me, I'm right about Maye" card. Ya know, because being right about Mac means teams should now be hiring you as a consultant before every draft lol. I'm sure it's coming... everyone wants to be right....or "heard"....lol.
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Post by backbay on Apr 26, 2024 9:19:10 GMT -5
They just used the #3 pick in the draft and they aren’t going to play him? There is no Aaron Rogers playing in front of him. He is now your marquee player he better play or they should have taken someone else. It's not about who's playing in front of him, it's about making sure you develop him properly now that he's here. We've seen QB's redshirt their first year and its worked wonders for them. Maye is 21. If he becomes a superstar because you didn't throw him to the wolves immediately his first year then that's all that matters. Plus putting Jacoby out there allows him to see first-hand how a real pro manages being a starting QB in the NFL. Brissett is a guy who understands why he's here and he's going to help guide Maye along. Draft your starting LT and top receiver in the next couple of picks, let them develop and when Maye is ready to take over (whether that's 8 games in or next season) the offense will be in better shape and ready for him to start off on the right foot rather than just throwing him out there because they get too antsy. That being said, you also don't shut the door completely. If he defies all expectations and comes in immediately and looks great, then sure start him. But there should be no pressure to do so. We gotta get this right, whatever path that may be. thanks for a rational approach
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