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Post by CWTB on Jan 3, 2021 10:55:16 GMT -5
I think the above has been discussed. Wheels coming off the Dynasty Thread.
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Post by CWTB on Jan 3, 2021 10:59:51 GMT -5
Keep it simple.
Belichick sucks, he should be fired
Tom Brady without Offensive Line Blocking for him, Defense playing hard, RB's and WR's doing their job, among others.
We would have won a lot more SB's.
Maybe 10-15 my guess.
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Post by Wozzy on Jan 3, 2021 11:08:28 GMT -5
Yeah, I’m sure Charlie Weis, the OC at the time, who specifically said 4, not a couple, not a few but FOUR... lied. And then I’m sure the Star Tribune was lying too when I confirmed the following “ Many believe it was Rehbein’s draft-room persuasiveness that pushed Belichick into picking Brady in the sixth round in 2000. A year later, after Brady replaced the injured Bledsoe in Week 2 and was leading the Patriots toward the first of their five Super Bowl titles, Belichick hinted as much when he said Rehbein was “the guy that’s most responsible for Brady.” Belichick is saying Rehbein is the guy who’s most responsible for Brady. Now, had Rehbein recommended someone else and Belichick went against him and took Brady, well... that would be a different story, wouldn’t it?!?! Charlie Weis is old and losing his facilities... stop picking on an old man. BB said it came down to two QB's, both in video and print. Rehbein did his job and did it well... he was an assistant coach. Suggesting BB doesn't make the picks is the stuff of quack fanboys. Anyway we all know it doesn't matter how many QB's they scouted in 2000 because that's just you trying to obfuscate, BB drafted Tom Brady. You're entering a Babe-like fantopia... don't be ridiculous. |
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Post by TFB12 on Jan 3, 2021 11:19:15 GMT -5
Yeah, I’m sure Charlie Weis, the OC at the time, who specifically said 4, not a couple, not a few but FOUR... lied. And then I’m sure the Star Tribune was lying too when I confirmed the following “ Many believe it was Rehbein’s draft-room persuasiveness that pushed Belichick into picking Brady in the sixth round in 2000. A year later, after Brady replaced the injured Bledsoe in Week 2 and was leading the Patriots toward the first of their five Super Bowl titles, Belichick hinted as much when he said Rehbein was “the guy that’s most responsible for Brady.” Belichick is saying Rehbein is the guy who’s most responsible for Brady. Now, had Rehbein recommended someone else and Belichick went against him and took Brady, well... that would be a different story, wouldn’t it?!?! Charlie Weis is old and losing his facilities... stop picking on an old man. BB said it came down to two QB's, both in video and print. Rehbein did his job and did it well... he was an assistant coach. Suggesting BB doesn't make the picks is the stuff of quack fanboys. Anyway we all know it doesn't matter how many QB's they scouted in 2000 because that's just you trying to obfuscate, BB drafted Tom Brady. You're entering a Babe-like fantopia... don't be ridiculous. Isn't Weis younger than Bill? Weis, the OC at the time specifically said FOUR players.. not 2, not a couple, not a few... FOUR. I never said Belichick doesn't make the picks.. I just wrote that Belichick has gone on record saying Rehbein is responsible for Brady being a Patriot. HOWEVER, now that you continue to bring it up.... when Patriots owner Robert Kraft says Bill Belichick wasn't initially in charge of player personnel when he took over as Patriots coach in 2000. Belichick "earned his way in" to making player personnel and drafting decisions the owner told the Globe. It makes you wonder.. when did Belichick start making player personnel and drafting decisions? When Brady was drafted? After Brady was drafted? No, at the end of the day it probably doesn't matter how many guys they looked at.. the real point is the fuzzy Wozzy math... details. You are known to get those things wrong or twist them to fit your agenda. Just trying to keep you honest... is that even psoosible? |
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Post by Wozzy on Jan 3, 2021 11:21:38 GMT -5
Isn't Weis younger than Bill? Weis, the OC at the time specifically said FOUR players.. not 2, not a couple, not a few... FOUR. I never said Belichick doesn't make the picks.. I just wrote that Belichick has gone on record saying Rehbein is responsible for Brady being a Patriot. HOWEVER, now that you continue to bring it up.... when Patriots owner Robert Kraft says Bill Belichick wasn't initially in charge of player personnel when he took over as Patriots coach in 2000. Belichick "earned his way in" to making player personnel and drafting decisions the owner told the Globe. It makes you wonder.. when did Belichick start making player personnel and drafting decisions? When Brady was drafted? After Brady was drafted? No, at the end of the day it probably doesn't matter how many guys they looked at.. the real point is the fuzzy Wozzy math... details. You are known to get those things wrong or twist them to fit your agenda. Just trying to keep you honest... is that even psoosible? Sell us another one...  |
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Post by Wozzy on Jan 3, 2021 11:22:38 GMT -5
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Post by TFB12 on Jan 3, 2021 11:29:57 GMT -5
Wozzy, I really don't understand what your deal is. There is nothing I have written here that is not 100% correct. Yet, you have a problem accepting any of it. That's your problem, not mine.
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Post by Wozzy on Jan 3, 2021 11:35:30 GMT -5
Wozzy, I really don't understand what your deal is. There is nothing I have written here that is not 100% correct. Yet, you have a problem accepting any of it. That's your problem, not mine. You're implying BB didn't draft Tom... but an assistant coach (who Bill hired) did. Let me guess, Bill didn't draft Gronk, Wilfork, Mankins or Seymour either... but he is responsible for Ras I Dowling and Chad Jackson? They're hiring over on the other site...  |
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Post by TFB12 on Jan 3, 2021 11:44:04 GMT -5
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Post by TFB12 on Jan 3, 2021 11:51:23 GMT -5
Wozzy, I really don't understand what your deal is. There is nothing I have written here that is not 100% correct. Yet, you have a problem accepting any of it. That's your problem, not mine. You're implying BB didn't draft Tom... but an assistant coach (who Bill hired) did. Let me guess, Bill didn't draft Gronk, Wilfork, Mankins or Seymour either... but he is responsible for Ras I Dowling and Chad Jackson? They're hiring over on the other site... I'm not implying anything. I am providing facts and asking a question.. those facts are and the question is.. Charlie Weis proved you wrong in the # of people Belichick said to go check out. Belichick has said Rehbein is the guy who’s most responsible for Brady. Quoting the Star Tribune " Many believe it was Rehbein’s draft-room persuasiveness that pushed Belichick into picking Brady in the sixth round in 2000." Robert Kraft told the Globe "Bill Belichick wasn't initially in charge of player personnel when he took over as Patriots coach in 2000. " Belichick "earned his way in" to making player personnel and drafting decisions the owner told the Globe." I made the comment that with what Kraft said... when did Belichick start making player personnel and drafting decisions? When Brady was drafted? After Brady was drafted? |
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Post by Wozzy on Jan 3, 2021 11:59:52 GMT -5
I'm not implying anything. I am providing facts and asking a question.. those facts are and the question is.. Charlie Weis proved you wrong in the # of people Belichick said to go check out. Belichick has said Rehbein is the guy who’s most responsible for Brady. Quoting the Star Tribune " Many believe it was Rehbein’s draft-room persuasiveness that pushed Belichick into picking Brady in the sixth round in 2000." Robert Kraft told the Globe "Bill Belichick wasn't initially in charge of player personnel when he took over as Patriots coach in 2000. " Belichick "earned his way in" to making player personnel and drafting decisions the owner told the Globe." I made the comment that with what Kraft said... when did Belichick start making player personnel and drafting decisions? When Brady was drafted? After Brady was drafted? I'd love to argue "dumb" for the rest of the day, but I have to clean the lint out of my belly button, then dust and arrange my Hummel collection before the game. |
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Post by philskiw on Jan 3, 2021 12:02:02 GMT -5
Naw, I'm not stuck in thinking of or comparing Cam to prior years.. I just know that he seems to be a great teammate, the players and coaches love him. He's dedicated and works hard. His size and running ability adds to the offense where his arm and passing fall short (see what I did there.. haha) Dalton has a history of choking and he certainly wouldn't have got this team to the playoffs, not sure he could have stayed healthy and done any better or as well as Cam has done. As I showed, Dalton had talent and good line blocking earlier in his career and choked those years away with 1 TD and 6 ints in the playoffs. He would add nothing to this team. I agree, Dalton had it better early in his career. He also made the Pro Bowl and frankly I don't think those teams were complete teams by any means. Coaching and scheme did them in as much as choking. Dalton’s early offensive line had names like… LT - Andrew Whitworth (4x Pro Bowl, 3x All Pro) LG - Clint Boling C - Jeff Faine (1x Pro Bowl) RG - Kevin Zeitler RT - Andre Smith Three first rounders, a second rounder and a 4th rounder. His later offensive line… LT - Andre Smith LG - Michael Jordan C - Trey Hopkins RG - John Miller RT - Bobby Hart One first rounder, two thirds, a fourth and one UDFA... zero Pro Bowls. PFF is toilet paper but even they recognize this, ranking the Bengal’s O-Line in Dalton’s final season 30th worst in 2019... 27th in 2018… 30th in 2017. Other outlets like SI had similar grades for this unit, so it's not Wozzy logic, they just sucked. I'm not even saying Dalton is great, he is just better than Cam who is toast and unlike Cam he was too expensive for the Pats who were resetting the cap. andre smith was a big fat tub of goo. The guy broke his foot his first 2 seasons. Why they ever resigned him tells me he had naked pictures or Marve at the zoo. Dalton just plain sucks, unless you live in Buffalo. |
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Post by TFB12 on Jan 3, 2021 12:07:11 GMT -5
I'm not implying anything. I am providing facts and asking a question.. those facts are and the question is.. Charlie Weis proved you wrong in the # of people Belichick said to go check out. Belichick has said Rehbein is the guy who’s most responsible for Brady. Quoting the Star Tribune " Many believe it was Rehbein’s draft-room persuasiveness that pushed Belichick into picking Brady in the sixth round in 2000." Robert Kraft told the Globe "Bill Belichick wasn't initially in charge of player personnel when he took over as Patriots coach in 2000. " Belichick "earned his way in" to making player personnel and drafting decisions the owner told the Globe." I made the comment that with what Kraft said... when did Belichick start making player personnel and drafting decisions? When Brady was drafted? After Brady was drafted? I'd love to argue "dumb" for the rest of the day, but I have to clean the lint out of my belly button, then dust and arrange my Hummel collection before the game. you better get busy, I imagine you have a bunch of lint to clean out and lots of dusting to do. Let me know when you are done and ready for me to spit facts at you some more. |
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Post by philskiw on Jan 3, 2021 12:09:10 GMT -5
If Harry indeed turns out the bust that fans think he is already BB will get the blame. Why? Because he makes the picks. But, from the way I'm reading your debate with TFB12 then someone else on the staff could get the blame for pushing for Harry. Someone (a scout) must have or did BB pick him out of the blue? My point is as you said, BB gets the blame for the misses but people don't want to give him credit for the hits. BB could throw his staff under the bus and say hey, my guy really pushed for Harry. I had faith that he was correct and drafted him. It obviously wasn't the right pick. Although I don't see him doing any such thing. BB is responsible for drafting Tom Brady. Period. yes Lombardi gets the Harry blame. |
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Post by solly on Jan 3, 2021 12:17:01 GMT -5
If Harry indeed turns out the bust that fans think he is already BB will get the blame. Why? Because he makes the picks. But, from the way I'm reading your debate with TFB12 then someone else on the staff could get the blame for pushing for Harry. Someone (a scout) must have or did BB pick him out of the blue? My point is as you said, BB gets the blame for the misses but people don't want to give him credit for the hits.BB could throw his staff under the bus and say hey, my guy really pushed for Harry. I had faith that he was correct and drafted him. It obviously wasn't the right pick. Although I don't see him doing any such thing. BB is responsible for drafting Tom Brady. Period. By now everyone is aware of the Patriots' recent struggles in the draft, but it's hard to peg an exact reason why. Albert Breer of Sports Illustrated's MMQB took a deep dive into the Patriots' issues of late and came away with a few interesting nuggets. One of the biggest misses recently was selecting N'Keal Harry in the first round last year over other receivers like Deebo Samuel, A.J. Brown, D.K. Metcalf, etc. According to Breer, Harry "crushed" his in-house visit with the team and got a good review from ex-Arizona State coach Todd Graham, so the team selected him in Round 1 despite warning signs from scouts.Breer adds Harry isn't the only player selected where Belichick may have been swayed too much by a college coach who he's friendly with. Anfernee Jennings, who played for Nick Saban, is another."Which makes it fair to question if he’s leaned too much on his college coaching friends and his personal experience with prospects, and too little on the work of his scouts," Breer wrote.
The biggest takeaway from the piece is the Patriots are severely lacking talent and over the years Tom Brady was able to make up for a lot of areas where the roster fell short.“They’re just devoid of talent,” an NFC personnel director said. “It’s a bunch of specialty guys that fit certain scenarios, and those guys are fine, but they don’t have line-up-and-kick-your-ass football players. [Stephon] Gilmore’s a real guy. [Joe] Thuney’s a real guy. I like J.C. Jackson. But other than that, I don’t know who we’re really talking about." New England Patriots Newsletter Breer that troll! NFC guys are just jealous! |
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Post by patmando on Jan 3, 2021 12:34:00 GMT -5
Give me a break for giving ANY of them credit. He was taken in the freaking 6th round, pick 199. They are just LUCKY no one else picked him. At that point in the draft, it was like, well no one left will make the team, so pick him. You think he gets picked today if he was coming out? yes |
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Post by oklahomapatriot on Jan 3, 2021 17:04:08 GMT -5
BB could always give Johnny Foxboro a tryout.
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Post by TrueChamp on Jan 3, 2021 17:07:10 GMT -5
Uh OH
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Post by TrueChamp on Jan 3, 2021 17:07:49 GMT -5
Get ready boys
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Post by bostonts on Jan 4, 2021 3:27:59 GMT -5
Whether or not Cam comes back we'll see. But I will be very ticked off if Stidham comes back. He should be cut. If he didn't warrant getting a starting look in these out-of-playoffs games at the end of the season, then he shouldn't be on the roster. It's too late to waste another season giving Stidham a look. This was the time to do it, find out what you have. So, they must know - they don't have anything. So, cut him. Bring in a veteran QB and another young guy you have more hopes in.
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Jan 4, 2021 5:03:51 GMT -5
Bill losing his fastball? Everyone knows this dude needs help in picking better offensive personnel . So he went off the pick by an interview? The warning signs where there with Harry.
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Post by CWTB on Jan 4, 2021 6:01:56 GMT -5
BSJ and Greg Bedard wrote that up to 16 teams could be looking for a QB in the Off-Season. Because of Contract, and Needs at the Position.
Absolutely
Jaguars
Panthers
Patriots
Washington
Likely
Jets
Falcons
Lions
Giants
49'ers
Vikings
Bears
Buccaneers
Steelers
Possibly
Dolphins
Raiders
Saints
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Post by solly on Jan 4, 2021 7:54:45 GMT -5
BSJ and Greg Bedard wrote that up to 16 teams could be looking for a QB in the Off-Season. Because of Contract, and Needs at the Position. Absolutely Jaguars Panthers Patriots Washington Likely Jets Falcons Lions Giants 49'ers Vikings Bears Buccaneers Steelers Possibly Dolphins Raiders Saints Dont listen to Greg Bedard hes a troll |
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Post by ATJ on Jan 4, 2021 8:01:38 GMT -5
I don't want Cam back - period.
To be candid, I don't know what to make of the Stidham situation. I know many have drawn the conclusion that as badly as Cam played Stidham must really be bad if he could not start over Cam. And I can see the logic in that conclusion. There has also been discussion regarding this was yet another year of seasoning for Stid. I honestly do not know which or if either is correct.
What I do know is that we will have a pretty strong indication after free agency begins and most certainly after the draft.
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Post by oklahomapatriot on Jan 4, 2021 8:26:08 GMT -5
Wow.
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