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Post by Wozzy on Oct 21, 2021 12:16:25 GMT -5
Which players are you talking about? Duggar and Barmore I agree...Do you think Uche/Winovich/ Joejuan have been key contributors? Their snap counts say they arent. Mainly the offensive line where the biggest struggles for this team have occurred. Four players who have started games this year are first or second year players. Uche, Winovich and Joejuan while they haven't started have contributed a lot on passing downs, could explain some pass rush deficiencies. The RB's outside of Bolden are entirely made up of first or second year players... kind of explains fumbles. Like I said... young, and the ones that aren't still are a lot of new faces from different places. We can call it "excuses" but at least we can explain why some of these excuses might be valid... next we could talk about the youth in the coaching ranks.
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Post by solly on Oct 21, 2021 12:20:45 GMT -5
Which players are you talking about? Duggar and Barmore I agree...Do you think Uche/Winovich/ Joejuan have been key contributors? Their snap counts say they arent. Mainly the offensive line where the biggest struggles for this team have occurred. Four players who have started games this year are first or second year players. Uche, Winovich and Joejuan while they haven't started have contributed a lot on passing downs. The RB's outside of Bolden are entirely made up of first or second year players... kind of explains fumbles. Like I said, young, and the ones that aren't still are a lot of new faces from different places. We can call them "excuses" but we can at least explain why some of these excuses might be necessary... next we could talk about the youth in the coaching ranks. The offensive line like I said I wont argue, but they also probably hope they arent playing those players as the year goes on. They have been a bad unit from week 1, when they were relatively healthy. The running back to me isnt a key position. Its the most interchangeable position on the team and I dont think age or inexperience has anything to do with fumbling. Harris isnt fumbling because hes 24, when he didnt when he was 23. I think they just didnt execute All in all, they arent really a young team overall...especially on defense, where they should be thriving
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Post by rkarp on Oct 21, 2021 12:20:46 GMT -5
why is wanting to be better, quickly, "being negative"?I want this team to be great again. I like the base with Mac/Harris/Onwenu/Henry/Smith/Meyers/Shaq and maybe Wynn I like the defensive base with Dugger/JC Jackson (if he stays)/Barmore/Uche/Bentley I think Bailey is the best in the league. its a nice base that needs more esp at OL, DB, RB Negative? Maybe a bad description. Irrational or inpatient? Maybe a better description. Despite reports to the contrary, they are improving. We'd all like it yesterday but that ain't happening. would shipping out some of the vets now for draft picks and playing the young guys hasten the rebuild?
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Post by Wozzy on Oct 21, 2021 12:37:36 GMT -5
The offensive line like I said I wont argue, but they also probably hope they arent playing those players as the year goes on. They have been a bad unit from week 1, when they were relatively healthy. The running back to me isnt a key position. Its the most interchangeable position on the team and I dont think age or inexperience has anything to do with fumbling. Harris isnt fumbling because hes 24, when he didnt when he was 23. I think they just didnt execute All in all, they arent really a young team overall...especially on defense, where they should be thriving The defense has given up the 9th fewest points in the NFL... this despite the fact the offense is ranked 29th worst in turnovers. The defense has played well, they'll play better as they improve and more importantly as the offense improves and stops turning the ball over, giving opponents the ball back on short fields. Young RB's fumble and these ones certainly have... there's three of them, they're not "interchangeable" if they're all young.
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Post by solly on Oct 21, 2021 12:42:42 GMT -5
The offensive line like I said I wont argue, but they also probably hope they arent playing those players as the year goes on. They have been a bad unit from week 1, when they were relatively healthy. The running back to me isnt a key position. Its the most interchangeable position on the team and I dont think age or inexperience has anything to do with fumbling. Harris isnt fumbling because hes 24, when he didnt when he was 23. I think they just didnt execute All in all, they arent really a young team overall...especially on defense, where they should be thriving The defense has given up the 9th fewest points in the NFL... this despite the fact the offense is ranked 29th worst in turnovers. The defense has played well, they'll play better as they improve and more importantly as the offense improves and stops turning the ball over, giving opponents the ball back on short fields. Young RB's fumble and these ones certainly have... there's three of them, they're not "interchangeable" if they're all young. The defense's worst two performances have been the 2 most recent games and on top of that have been poor situationally. Again, all im pointing out is that their struggles havent been because of inexperience. As for the running backs, I dont think they fumble because theyre young...If that was the case...why didnt Harris fumble last year? James White never fumbled as a young player, even as he continued to play more. Some guys just fumble more often then others
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Post by CWTB on Oct 21, 2021 12:58:02 GMT -5
I'll give you the most Talented team their is. And I'll will have a Turnover Free, Less Mistakes (Penalties), and I'll bet I will win 70% of the games. We are right now 29th per game in the NFL in Giveaways, the worst since 2002, at this point.
Improve on the Turnovers, in which we do less, and create more, and we will win.
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Post by carawaydj on Oct 21, 2021 13:11:52 GMT -5
Negative? Maybe a bad description. Irrational or inpatient? Maybe a better description. Despite reports to the contrary, they are improving. We'd all like it yesterday but that ain't happening. would shipping out some of the vets now for draft picks and playing the young guys hasten the rebuild? I have mixed emotions over that. If I didn't believe in the "Patriot way" and thought our team culture is no different than any other place and never has been then I'd probably say ship them off. But I do believe in the Patriot way. We've heard countless players come through here and discuss how things are different. So we can't just get rid of all these guys. We need people who remember what it is like to win a SB, fight through adversity. We need that leadership in the locker room, the meeting rooms, the film room. If we slip into the playoffs we'll be glad we still got some of these guys.
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Post by salcon on Oct 21, 2021 13:18:24 GMT -5
would shipping out some of the vets now for draft picks and playing the young guys hasten the rebuild? I have mixed emotions over that. If I didn't believe in the "Patriot way" and thought our team culture is no different than any other place and never has been then I'd probably say ship them off. But I do believe in the Patriot way. We've heard countless players come through here and discuss how things are different. So we can't just get rid of all these guys. We need people who remember what it is like to win a SB, fight through adversity. We need that leadership in the locker room, the meeting rooms, the film room. If we slip into the playoffs we'll be glad we still got some of these guys. My feelings exactly on keeping some of the vets around but better said.
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Post by rkarp on Oct 21, 2021 13:26:34 GMT -5
would shipping out some of the vets now for draft picks and playing the young guys hasten the rebuild? I have mixed emotions over that. If I didn't believe in the "Patriot way" and thought our team culture is no different than any other place and never has been then I'd probably say ship them off. But I do believe in the Patriot way. We've heard countless players come through here and discuss how things are different. So we can't just get rid of all these guys. We need people who remember what it is like to win a SB, fight through adversity. We need that leadership in the locker room, the meeting rooms, the film room. If we slip into the playoffs we'll be glad we still got some of these guys. it would allow some players to step up, and I am not saying all of them. Bentley, Wise, Shaq, Andrews (already a leader), Karras, Wynn, Jones all might be ready to fill a leadership role. Mac too will need to step it up and start being a vocal leader on the field and off
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Post by mikeod on Oct 21, 2021 13:30:30 GMT -5
Negative? Maybe a bad description. Irrational or inpatient? Maybe a better description. Despite reports to the contrary, they are improving. We'd all like it yesterday but that ain't happening. would shipping out some of the vets now for draft picks and playing the young guys hasten the rebuild? Perhaps. But it would likely increase mistakes, penalties and losses which would not improve the attitude here and in team offices. IMO BB is trying to do what he has done in the past, rebuilding/reloading on the fly. He relies on vets nearing the end to indoctrinate and educate the younglings and gradually increase their snaps while decreasing the vets snaps. But the team aged more quickly than desired due to FAs, trades, COVID, and questionable drafts, resulting in the need to reload with a significant FA investment. But now he has new, non-Patriot vets trying to get up to speed while trying to help rookies and other young players learn their roles. The result is it will take longer to see the fruit of the transformation than anyone would like. They are improving, but by baby steps right now.
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Post by bostonts on Oct 21, 2021 15:05:53 GMT -5
The offensive line like I said I wont argue, but they also probably hope they arent playing those players as the year goes on. They have been a bad unit from week 1, when they were relatively healthy. The running back to me isnt a key position. Its the most interchangeable position on the team and I dont think age or inexperience has anything to do with fumbling. Harris isnt fumbling because hes 24, when he didnt when he was 23. I think they just didnt execute All in all, they arent really a young team overall...especially on defense, where they should be thriving The defense has given up the 9th fewest points in the NFL... this despite the fact the offense is ranked 29th worst in turnovers. The defense has played well, they'll play better as they improve and more importantly as the offense improves and stops turning the ball over, giving opponents the ball back on short fields. Young RB's fumble and these ones certainly have... there's three of them, they're not "interchangeable" if they're all young. I was looking for some detail on the turnovers and couldn't find it. But I'm having trouble recalling a lot of "short field" turnovers. It seems like a lot of the turnovers have either been in the opponents' red zone, or pick sixes. But I can't seem to find the stats to check that.
My view is the defense hasn't played very good situational football. Belichick is interested in situational football, he doesn't reduce a defense's performance to one stat (e.g. points allowed). I seem to recall a lot of difficulty getting off the field when it counts, stopping the run at end of games when the other team is milking crucial clock, etc.
I do agree, however, that the defense can definitely play better. However, the investments in the defense were intended to make up for some of the issues on the offensive side. We simply can't count on a great offense every week, not with a rookie QB.
But let's say for the sake of argument that you are right, that the defense is playing well and will play better. Hopefully you are. My biggest concern is I want to see a young core emerge on the defensive side. I'm not thrilled seeing so much playing time going to underperforming veterans. Why not give the younger D players more playing time? IMO that's a big part of the rebuild. If the veteran defensive players were playing great that would be different, but often they appear slow. I'm not saying sit the veterans, but I'd personally rather see more balance in playing time.
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Post by rkarp on Oct 21, 2021 15:26:29 GMT -5
The defense has given up the 9th fewest points in the NFL... this despite the fact the offense is ranked 29th worst in turnovers. The defense has played well, they'll play better as they improve and more importantly as the offense improves and stops turning the ball over, giving opponents the ball back on short fields. Young RB's fumble and these ones certainly have... there's three of them, they're not "interchangeable" if they're all young. I was looking for some detail on the turnovers and couldn't find it. But I'm having trouble recalling a lot of "short field" turnovers. It seems like a lot of the turnovers have either been in the opponents' red zone, or pick sixes. But I can't seem to find the stats to check that.
My view is the defense hasn't played very good situational football. Belichick is interested in situational football, he doesn't reduce a defense's performance to one stat (e.g. points allowed). I seem to recall a lot of difficulty getting off the field when it counts, stopping the run at end of games when the other team is milking crucial clock, etc.
I do agree, however, that the defense can definitely play better. However, the investments in the defense were intended to make up for some of the issues on the offensive side. We simply can't count on a great offense every week, not with a rookie QB.
But let's say for the sake of argument that you are right, that the defense is playing well and will play better. Hopefully you are. My biggest concern is I want to see a young core emerge on the defensive side. I'm not thrilled seeing so much playing time going to underperforming veterans. Why not give the younger D players more playing time? IMO that's a big part of the rebuild. If the veteran defensive players were playing great that would be different, but often they appear slow. I'm not saying sit the veterans, but I'd personally rather see more balance in playing time.
imo teams are going to continue to try to throw the ball all over the Pats. they have 3 NFL caliber CB's and 2 of them struggle against speedy WR's. their 4th CB today is either a S (Phillips/Dugger/DMC) or a ST ace (Bethel). those 4 guys are mismatched when trying to cover a WR. couple with little pressure on QB's, teams have all day to find these mismatches and exploit them. we saw it with Dallas and Houston. The Jets tried but turned the ball over too much. Herbert, Baker, Matt Ryan and Allen coming due. Wade needs to get healthy quickly.
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Post by Wozzy on Oct 21, 2021 15:39:48 GMT -5
The defense's worst two performances have been the 2 most recent games and on top of that have been poor situationally. Again, all im pointing out is that their struggles havent been because of inexperience. As for the running backs, I dont think they fumble because theyre young...If that was the case...why didnt Harris fumble last year? James White never fumbled as a young player, even as he continued to play more. Some guys just fumble more often then others The Texans weren’t ideal but the D gave up 22 points and the offense turned it over twice. The Cowboys we’ve discussed at length, the defense held them for as long as they could while the offense turned it over three times. Complementary football is really a thing. The D prevents points despite the O giving opponents every advantage to score points. The majority of players making mistakes are young players, they may not have earned your stamp of approval as “contributors” but if we’re measuring actual snaps and starts these players are most certainly contributing. Faux titles don’t mean much in comparison to actual playing time.
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Post by solly on Oct 21, 2021 15:53:38 GMT -5
The defense's worst two performances have been the 2 most recent games and on top of that have been poor situationally. Again, all im pointing out is that their struggles havent been because of inexperience. As for the running backs, I dont think they fumble because theyre young...If that was the case...why didnt Harris fumble last year? James White never fumbled as a young player, even as he continued to play more. Some guys just fumble more often then others The Texans weren’t ideal but the D gave up 22 points and the offense turned it over twice. The Cowboys we’ve discussed at length, the defense held them for as long as they could while the offense turned it over three times. Complementary football is really a thing. The D prevents points despite the O giving opponents every advantage to score points. The majority of players making mistakes are young players, they may not have earned your stamp of approval as “contributors” but if we’re measuring actual snaps and starts these players are most certainly contributing. Faux titles don’t mean much in comparison to actual playing time. Not sure if I believe that the majority of players making mistakes are young players. To the Offensive line, obviously theyve been injured and changing, but Wynn has been awful as well. McCourty didnt have very good games back to back, Hightower hasnt had a good season, Neither has Van Noy or really Jalen Mills. Whether you want to call them good performances or not, most would consider what theyve thrown out there the last couple weeks as poor and its not because Dugger and Barmore are young. The unit together just wasnt good. The Dolphins game and the Saints game, the defense had chances to get the ball back to the offense late in the game and couldnt...That is situationally poor defense, and its not because theyre young. Thats all im saying. Again, which players are we measuring the snaps/starts for?
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Post by mthurl on Oct 21, 2021 15:59:23 GMT -5
Oh, I see. It’s negativity, not being objective. Just for the record I have applauded/praised/showed optimism on just about every player they have signed, traded for or drafted. BUT I don’t continue that when I see things with my own two eyes. Because that would be a Ball Washer, and I’m never going to be that. I’m never going to make excuse after excuse and stick my head face first into the sand, that’s just not my thing. Sorry. You said you applauded the players prior to the season, so they’re either: A) A talented group underperforming B) A talentless group who can’t perform If it’s A) then the fact they’re young at key positions, at key coaching positions, they have new faces trying to learn a new system or just poorly coached etc aren’t “excuses,” it’s simply the way it is. If it’s B) then they’re the Lions… they have little to no talent, have no hope for improvement and simply suck. Too many people here want it both ways, they complain the talent is overpaid, not athletic enough, just suck… but when called on it, and someone such as myself blames execution it gets panned and called “excuses.” Pick a side, all of you. Either you think they can improve execution or you think they have no talent and suck… I happen to believe they will improve. That the coaches and players can do a much better job, they can limit mistakes, block better and the talent will be utilized better. But don’t straddle the fence and call the rest of us ballwashers… that’s just intellectually dishonest. Straddle a fence? I don’t straddle fences I’m a fan. I applaud every move until I see what it turns out to be. I don’t sugar coat, no ones feelings are getting hurt. Bill Belichick is not on here reading my comments. And I’m not the GM of the team - or put out draft “guides” pretending to be - I see what I see, I think I have a good understanding of the game and as a fan I will certainly criticize and applaud. What’s wrong with that?^^ Seriously, what do people think they are around here? My god. Have a blast making excuses and defending everything, it’s going to be a long long next ten years for you. And guess what?? Providing links about how you “question” a draft pick’s ability to turn and run or looseness of their hips is a GIGANTIC NOTHING BURGER. Especially when you line up 15 layers of excuses afterwards of why the player didn’t pan out here. And how’s the talent on this team? Well, certainly underperforming at some spots. Not very good at others. Average at a whole lot of others. Put Brady on this team and we win a super bowl. Take him off and we’re like everybody else or worse...and that’s what ball washers don’t understand. IT WAS TOM BRADY NOT BILL BELICHICK THE GM.
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Post by Wozzy on Oct 21, 2021 16:25:05 GMT -5
Not sure if I believe that the majority of players making mistakes are young players. To the Offensive line, obviously theyve been injured and changing, but Wynn has been awful as well. McCourty didnt have very good games back to back, Hightower hasnt had a good season, Neither has Van Noy or really Jalen Mills. Whether you want to call them good performances or not, most would consider what theyve thrown out there the last couple weeks as poor and its not because Dugger and Barmore are young. The unit together just wasnt good. The Dolphins game and the Saints game, the defense had chances to get the ball back to the offense late in the game and couldnt...That is situationally poor defense, and its not because theyre young. Thats all im saying. Again, which players are we measuring the snaps/starts for? The D is ranked 9th in points allowed, the O is ranked 29th in turnovers and 21st in points scored. While the offense is a sieve at giving the ball back and punting, saying the 9th ranked defense is a “problem” situationally or otherwise is absurd. Cajuste in his first start ever almost got Mac killed the other night, Harris lost a game by fumbling in the final minute, Taylor fumbled, Stevenson fumbled, Onwenu got turned around also… everyone they lined up at RT has been a first or second year player and they’ve made mistakes. Young guys, new guys errors… new coaches need to fix it.
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Post by solly on Oct 21, 2021 16:27:51 GMT -5
Not sure if I believe that the majority of players making mistakes are young players. To the Offensive line, obviously theyve been injured and changing, but Wynn has been awful as well. McCourty didnt have very good games back to back, Hightower hasnt had a good season, Neither has Van Noy or really Jalen Mills. Whether you want to call them good performances or not, most would consider what theyve thrown out there the last couple weeks as poor and its not because Dugger and Barmore are young. The unit together just wasnt good. The Dolphins game and the Saints game, the defense had chances to get the ball back to the offense late in the game and couldnt...That is situationally poor defense, and its not because theyre young. Thats all im saying. Again, which players are we measuring the snaps/starts for? The D is ranked 9th in points allowed, the O is ranked 29th in turnovers and 21st in points scored. While the offense is a sieve at giving the ball back and punting, saying the 9th ranked defense is a “problem” situationally or otherwise is absurd. Cajuste in his first start ever almost got Mac killed the other night, Harris lost a game by fumbling in the final minute, Taylor fumbled, Stevenson fumbled, Onwenu got turned around also… everyone they lined up at RT has been a first or second year player and they’ve made mistakes. Young guys, new guys errors… new coaches need to fix it. Again, the running backs fumbling…what does this happen to do with age? Harris fumbled less last year then he did this year. You can disagree on the defense all you want.
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Post by Wozzy on Oct 21, 2021 16:27:58 GMT -5
Straddle a fence? I don’t straddle fences I’m a fan. I applaud every move until I see what it turns out to be. I don’t sugar coat, no ones feelings are getting hurt. Bill Belichick is not on here reading my comments. And I’m not the GM of the team - or put out draft “guides” pretending to be - I see what I see, I think I have a good understanding of the game and as a fan I will certainly criticize and applaud. What’s wrong with that?^^ Seriously, what do people think they are around here? My god. Have a blast making excuses and defending everything, it’s going to be a long long next ten years for you. And guess what?? Providing links about how you “question” a draft pick’s ability to turn and run or looseness of their hips is a GIGANTIC NOTHING BURGER. Especially when you line up 15 layers of excuses afterwards of why the player didn’t pan out here. And how’s the talent on this team? Well, certainly underperforming at some spots. Not very good at others. Average at a whole lot of others. Put Brady on this team and we win a super bowl. Take him off and we’re like everybody else or worse...and that’s what ball washers don’t understand. IT WAS TOM BRADY NOT BILL BELICHICK THE GM. You brought up Duke Dawson… you, as an example of my ballwashing and rubber stamping every draft pick. Turns out I thought it was a bad pick on draft day. BB Ballwashers don’t exist, they’re a figment of Brady fanboy imaginations. Saying a team of talented players is playing poorly is more probable then them losing their talent.
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Post by digger0862 on Oct 21, 2021 16:33:02 GMT -5
The defense has given up the 9th fewest points in the NFL... this despite the fact the offense is ranked 29th worst in turnovers. The defense has played well, they'll play better as they improve and more importantly as the offense improves and stops turning the ball over, giving opponents the ball back on short fields. Young RB's fumble and these ones certainly have... there's three of them, they're not "interchangeable" if they're all young. I was looking for some detail on the turnovers and couldn't find it. But I'm having trouble recalling a lot of "short field" turnovers. It seems like a lot of the turnovers have either been in the opponents' red zone, or pick sixes. But I can't seem to find the stats to check that.
My view is the defense hasn't played very good situational football. Belichick is interested in situational football, he doesn't reduce a defense's performance to one stat (e.g. points allowed). I seem to recall a lot of difficulty getting off the field when it counts, stopping the run at end of games when the other team is milking crucial clock, etc.
I do agree, however, that the defense can definitely play better. However, the investments in the defense were intended to make up for some of the issues on the offensive side. We simply can't count on a great offense every week, not with a rookie QB.
But let's say for the sake of argument that you are right, that the defense is playing well and will play better. Hopefully you are. My biggest concern is I want to see a young core emerge on the defensive side. I'm not thrilled seeing so much playing time going to underperforming veterans. Why not give the younger D players more playing time? IMO that's a big part of the rebuild. If the veteran defensive players were playing great that would be different, but often they appear slow. I'm not saying sit the veterans, but I'd personally rather see more balance in playing time.
Quarter Time Down ToGo Location Detail MIA NE 1 3:40 1 10 NWE 39 Mac Jones pass complete short right to Rhamondre Stevenson for 9 yards. Rhamondre Stevenson fumbles (forced by Eric Rowe), recovered by Zach Sieler at NE-48 (tackle by Eric Rowe) Replay Assistant challenged the ruling, and the play was upheld. 7 0 4 3:35 1 10 MIA 11 Damien Harris right tackle for 2 yards. Damien Harris fumbles (forced by Xavien Howard), recovered by Xavien Howard at MIA-9 and returned for 2 yards (tackle by Xavien Howard) 17 16 NOR NE 2 2:27 3 10 NWE 44 Mac Jones pass short middle intended for Hunter Henry is intercepted by P.J. Williams at NO-45 and returned for 46 yards. P.J. Williams fumbles (forced by Brandon Bolden), recovered by Kaden Elliss at NE-1 Replay Assistant challenged the fumble ruling, and the original play was overturned. Mac Jones pass short middle intended for Hunter Henry is intercepted by P.J. Williams at NO-45 and returned for 46 yards (tackle by Brandon Bolden) 7 0 3 15:00 1 10 NWE 25 Mac Jones pass short middle intended for Jonnu Smith is intercepted by Malcolm Jenkins at NE-34 and returned for 34 yards, touchdown 20 3 4 0:15 4 10 NOR 25 Mac Jones pass deep left intended for Nelson Agholor is intercepted by Marshon Lattimore at NO-2 and returned for 20 yards (tackle by Brandon Bolden) 28 13 TAM NE 1 3:46 3 10 NWE 42 Mac Jones pass deep middle (defended by Ross Cockrell) intended for Nelson Agholor is intercepted by Antoine Winfield at TB-34 and returned for no gain (tackle by Nelson Agholor) 3 0 3 11:19 1 10 TAM 28 Mac Jones pass complete short right to J.J. Taylor for no gain. J.J. Taylor fumbles (forced by Antoine Winfield), recovered by Richard Sherman at TB-28 and returned for 4 yards (tackle by J.J. Taylor) 6 7 NE HOU 2 8:54 2 5 HOU 5 Damien Harris up the middle for no gain, touchdown Replay Assistant challenged the runner broke the plane ruling, and the original play was overturned. Damien Harris up the middle for 4 yards. Damien Harris fumbles (forced by Terrance Mitchell), recovered by Jaleel Johnson at HOU-0, touchback. 6 12 3 14:19 2 10 NWE 27 Mac Jones pass deep middle intended for Nelson Agholor is intercepted by Lonnie Johnson at NE-44 and returned for no gain 15 9 DAL NE 2 10:14 2 17 DAL 35 Mac Jones sacked by Randy Gregory for -7 yards. Mac Jones fumbles (forced by Randy Gregory), recovered by Chauncey Golston at DAL-42 and returned for 6 yards (tackle by Yodny Cajuste) 7 14 4 2:36 2 15 NWE 36 Mac Jones pass short middle intended for Kendrick Bourne is intercepted by Trevon Diggs at NE-42 and returned for 42 yards, touchdown 26 21
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Post by Wozzy on Oct 21, 2021 16:46:00 GMT -5
Again, the running backs fumbling…what does this happen to do with age? Harris fumbled less last year then he did this year. You can disagree on the defense all you want. Young players make mistakes, not all young players but these ones are. Harris played less last year, he wasn’t “the man” and when Sony was healthy he started or split time. It’s not a question of whether I disagree about the defense or not, the offense being 29th in turnovers puts the D at a huge disadvantage… it’s not an opinion.
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Post by texaspat on Oct 21, 2021 16:46:14 GMT -5
Not sure if I believe that the majority of players making mistakes are young players. To the Offensive line, obviously theyve been injured and changing, but Wynn has been awful as well. McCourty didnt have very good games back to back, Hightower hasnt had a good season, Neither has Van Noy or really Jalen Mills. Whether you want to call them good performances or not, most would consider what theyve thrown out there the last couple weeks as poor and its not because Dugger and Barmore are young. The unit together just wasnt good. The Dolphins game and the Saints game, the defense had chances to get the ball back to the offense late in the game and couldnt...That is situationally poor defense, and its not because theyre young. Thats all im saying. Again, which players are we measuring the snaps/starts for? The D is ranked 9th in points allowed, the O is ranked 29th in turnovers and 21st in points scored. While the offense is a sieve at giving the ball back and punting, saying the 9th ranked defense is a “problem” situationally or otherwise is absurd. Cajuste in his first start ever almost got Mac killed the other night, Harris lost a game by fumbling in the final minute, Taylor fumbled, Stevenson fumbled, Onwenu got turned around also… everyone they lined up at RT has been a first or second year player and they’ve made mistakes. Young guys, new guys errors… new coaches need to fix it. Nothing is good when the team is not winning. My goodness, 0-4 at home.
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Post by solly on Oct 21, 2021 17:02:21 GMT -5
Again, the running backs fumbling…what does this happen to do with age? Harris fumbled less last year then he did this year. You can disagree on the defense all you want. Young players make mistakes, not all young players but these ones are. Harris played less last year, he wasn’t “the man” and when Sony was healthy he started or split time. It’s not a question of whether I disagree about the defense or not, the offense being 29th in turnovers puts the D at a huge disadvantage… it’s not an opinion. Harris last year had more carries and less fumbles then what he currently has. Has nothing to do With age or experience
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Post by mthurl on Oct 21, 2021 18:00:35 GMT -5
Straddle a fence? I don’t straddle fences I’m a fan. I applaud every move until I see what it turns out to be. I don’t sugar coat, no ones feelings are getting hurt. Bill Belichick is not on here reading my comments. And I’m not the GM of the team - or put out draft “guides” pretending to be - I see what I see, I think I have a good understanding of the game and as a fan I will certainly criticize and applaud. What’s wrong with that?^^ Seriously, what do people think they are around here? My god. Have a blast making excuses and defending everything, it’s going to be a long long next ten years for you. And guess what?? Providing links about how you “question” a draft pick’s ability to turn and run or looseness of their hips is a GIGANTIC NOTHING BURGER. Especially when you line up 15 layers of excuses afterwards of why the player didn’t pan out here. And how’s the talent on this team? Well, certainly underperforming at some spots. Not very good at others. Average at a whole lot of others. Put Brady on this team and we win a super bowl. Take him off and we’re like everybody else or worse...and that’s what ball washers don’t understand. IT WAS TOM BRADY NOT BILL BELICHICK THE GM. You brought up Duke Dawson… you, as an example of my ballwashing and rubber stamping every draft pick. Turns out I thought it was a bad pick on draft day. BB Ballwashers don’t exist, they’re a figment of Brady fanboy imaginations. Saying a team of talented players is playing poorly is more probable then them losing their talent. I brought up Dookie Dawson because he’s now 26 years old, should be in his prime and HELPING. Instead he’s another second round bust chosen by the GM you defend at evey turn. The same GM that had to go back to the well again and select J. Williams, who also was...another second round bust. A guy we probably could use about now. Which then lead to selecting ANOTHER 2nd rd safety in Duggar, who we pray is not a bust. I don’t care what you thought about them as they were being selected, a ball washers defends them when they suck...and that’s what you do. Every...single...day. GM’s get fired for this^^. Not have their balls washed.
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Post by Wozzy on Oct 21, 2021 19:00:02 GMT -5
Harris last year had more carries and less fumbles then what he currently has. Has nothing to do With age or experience No, young people are known for their smart well thought out decision making skills and life experience… I certainly know less now than when I was a teenager. 👍
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Post by Wozzy on Oct 21, 2021 19:02:18 GMT -5
I brought up Dookie Dawson because he’s now 26 years old, should be in his prime and HELPING. Instead he’s another second round bust chosen by the GM you defend at evey turn. The same GM that had to go back to the well again and select J. Williams, who also was...another second round bust. A guy we probably could use about now. Which then lead to selecting ANOTHER 2nd rd safety in Duggar, who we pray is not a bust. I don’t care what you thought about them as they were being selected, a ball washers defends them when they suck...and that’s what you do. Every...single...day. GM’s get fired for this^^. Not have their balls washed. Every year 220+ players get drafted, the average NFL career lasts three years… tell me again how GM’s jobs hinge on draft success rather than actual success. lol
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