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Post by carawaydj on Oct 21, 2021 19:09:57 GMT -5
You brought up Duke Dawson… you, as an example of my ballwashing and rubber stamping every draft pick. Turns out I thought it was a bad pick on draft day. BB Ballwashers don’t exist, they’re a figment of Brady fanboy imaginations. Saying a team of talented players is playing poorly is more probable then them losing their talent. I brought up Dookie Dawson because he’s now 26 years old, should be in his prime and HELPING. Instead he’s another second round bust chosen by the GM you defend at evey turn. The same GM that had to go back to the well again and select J. Williams, who also was...another second round bust. A guy we probably could use about now. Which then lead to selecting ANOTHER 2nd rd safety in Duggar, who we pray is not a bust. I don’t care what you thought about them as they were being selected, a ball washers defends them when they suck...and that’s what you do. Every...single...day. GM’s get fired for this^^. Not have their balls washed. Fire the GM for that? Hardly. But if I were RK I probably would have slipped a clause in BB's last contract that prohibited him from ever picking another player in the secondary with a 2nd round pick lol. Terrence Wheatley, Darius Butler (who somehow had a career in Indy), Ras-I Dowling, Jordan Richards, Cyrus Jones, Duke Dawson, Joejuan Williams…ouch! I'm a certified BBBW. I was even once nominated for the Golden Testicle Award. I don't expect every pick to work out and think BB does fine if I look at the entirety of his work. But I won't lie to you, his 2nd round picks in the secondary scare the shit out of me. Ditto when he drafts a WR. I do think Malcolm Mitchell would have been decent though. That 28-3 comeback wasn't happening without him (along with many others).
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Post by backbay on Oct 21, 2021 19:11:12 GMT -5
You said you applauded the players prior to the season, so they’re either: A) A talented group underperforming B) A talentless group who can’t perform If it’s A) then the fact they’re young at key positions, at key coaching positions, they have new faces trying to learn a new system or just poorly coached etc aren’t “excuses,” it’s simply the way it is. If it’s B) then they’re the Lions… they have little to no talent, have no hope for improvement and simply suck. Too many people here want it both ways, they complain the talent is overpaid, not athletic enough, just suck… but when called on it, and someone such as myself blames execution it gets panned and called “excuses.” Pick a side, all of you. Either you think they can improve execution or you think they have no talent and suck… I happen to believe they will improve. That the coaches and players can do a much better job, they can limit mistakes, block better and the talent will be utilized better. But don’t straddle the fence and call the rest of us ballwashers… that’s just intellectually dishonest. Straddle a fence? I don’t straddle fences I’m a fan. I applaud every move until I see what it turns out to be. I don’t sugar coat, no ones feelings are getting hurt. Bill Belichick is not on here reading my comments. And I’m not the GM of the team - or put out draft “guides” pretending to be - I see what I see, I think I have a good understanding of the game and as a fan I will certainly criticize and applaud. What’s wrong with that?^^ Seriously, what do people think they are around here? My god. Have a blast making excuses and defending everything, it’s going to be a long long next ten years for you. And guess what?? Providing links about how you “question” a draft pick’s ability to turn and run or looseness of their hips is a GIGANTIC NOTHING BURGER. Especially when you line up 15 layers of excuses afterwards of why the player didn’t pan out here. And how’s the talent on this team? Well, certainly underperforming at some spots. Not very good at others. Average at a whole lot of others. Put Brady on this team and we win a super bowl. Take him off and we’re like everybody else or worse...and that’s what ball washers don’t understand. IT WAS TOM BRADY NOT BILL BELICHICK THE GM. Just because veterans have a respectable resume with other teams using other schemes that are likely LESS complicated vs. Patriot's schemes - is not a guarantee that they will continue to be productive in the Patriot's highly complex offensive and defensive schemes. PLENTY of talented players from other teams failed to even make it through training camp. They failed to stick around just because they didn't get it mentally. Ocho Cinco survived one year. He scored 1 TD - and let go after the season due to lack of productivity with the Patriots; despite his stellar resume and productivity with OTHER teams. Hunter is a distant second in terms of ROI. Smith, with his $50 mil contract - to date, has not proven his worth on the team. So, current team is 2-4. And, the horrendous Red Zone ranking SUCKs and reflective of their record. The players need to prove their worth with actual productivity that is meaningful - i.e., scoring TDs; and resulting in W's vs. L's.
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Post by backbay on Oct 21, 2021 19:13:24 GMT -5
The D is ranked 9th in points allowed, the O is ranked 29th in turnovers and 21st in points scored. While the offense is a sieve at giving the ball back and punting, saying the 9th ranked defense is a “problem” situationally or otherwise is absurd. Cajuste in his first start ever almost got Mac killed the other night, Harris lost a game by fumbling in the final minute, Taylor fumbled, Stevenson fumbled, Onwenu got turned around also… everyone they lined up at RT has been a first or second year player and they’ve made mistakes. Young guys, new guys errors… new coaches need to fix it. Nothing is good when the team is not winning. My goodness, 0-4 at home. When winning, we ignore "problems". 0-4? That really sucks. But, hey, they're road warriors at 2-0
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Post by solly on Oct 21, 2021 19:23:47 GMT -5
Harris last year had more carries and less fumbles then what he currently has. Has nothing to do With age or experience No, young people are known for their smart well thought out decision making skills and life experience… I certainly know less now than when I was a teenager. 👍 This is a horrible analogy and you know that. Is there any consistent data that backs up the fact that rookie running backs fumble less as their careers go on? Use the example in house, Harris fumbled more on less touches then last year.
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Post by Wozzy on Oct 21, 2021 19:58:18 GMT -5
This is a horrible analogy and you know that. Is there any consistent data that backs up the fact that rookie running backs fumble less as their careers go on? Use the example in house, Harris fumbled more on less touches then last year. There needs to be a detailed analysis for you to understand young people are less experienced, that first and second year starters make basic mistakes that vets don’t? Give me a break. Harris fumbled once last year, he fumbled twice this year. We can blame it on whatever we want, none of this changes a plethora of examples of young players screwing up this season. Not does it change the simple fact that the 29th worst offense in terms of turnovers has predominantly been the result of first and second year players.
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Post by solly on Oct 21, 2021 20:12:32 GMT -5
This is a horrible analogy and you know that. Is there any consistent data that backs up the fact that rookie running backs fumble less as their careers go on? Use the example in house, Harris fumbled more on less touches then last year. There needs to be a detailed analysis for you to understand young people are less experienced, that first and second year starters make basic mistakes that vets don’t? Give me a break. Harris fumbled once last year, he fumbled twice this year. We can blame it on whatever we want, none of this changes a plethora of examples of young players screwing up this season. Not does it change the simple fact that the 29th worst offense in terms of turnovers has predominantly been the result of first and second year players. I’d expect if somebody is saying the running backs are fumbling because they’re young and inexperienced then you’d be able to back that opinion up. You’re usually big on that. What’s do you say? “Because I said so” doesn’t cut it?
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Post by Wozzy on Oct 21, 2021 20:20:00 GMT -5
I’d expect if somebody is saying the running backs are fumbling because they’re young and inexperienced then you’d be able to back that opinion up. You’re usually big on that. What’s do you say? “Because I said so” doesn’t cut it? Young players are less reliable than vets the majority of the time. What’s next Solly, I have to defend the controversial take that the ocean is wet, that sand is coarse and space is cold? Your overtaking Rkarp for the poster who most often disagrees with common sense because of the messenger not the message.
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Post by solly on Oct 21, 2021 20:24:16 GMT -5
I’d expect if somebody is saying the running backs are fumbling because they’re young and inexperienced then you’d be able to back that opinion up. You’re usually big on that. What’s do you say? “Because I said so” doesn’t cut it? Young players are less reliable than vets the majority of the time. What’s next Solly, I have to defend the controversial take that the ocean is wet, that sand is coarse and space is cold? Your overtaking Rkarp for the poster who most often disagrees with common sense because of the messenger not the message. Nope, I agreed with the quarterback, 100%. Just disagree on the running backs. . I agree and disagree with everybody. I think you can find other posters who fit that bill much better
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Post by Wozzy on Oct 21, 2021 21:43:54 GMT -5
This is where we are now as a species, we will argue that water isn't wet because we dislike the messenger.
I've lost all faith in humanity.
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Post by muzwell on Oct 21, 2021 22:25:19 GMT -5
I brought up Dookie Dawson because he’s now 26 years old, should be in his prime and HELPING. Instead he’s another second round bust chosen by the GM you defend at evey turn. The same GM that had to go back to the well again and select J. Williams, who also was...another second round bust. A guy we probably could use about now. Which then lead to selecting ANOTHER 2nd rd safety in Duggar, who we pray is not a bust. I don’t care what you thought about them as they were being selected, a ball washers defends them when they suck...and that’s what you do. Every...single...day. GM’s get fired for this^^. Not have their balls washed. Fire the GM for that? Hardly. But if I were RK I probably would have slipped a clause in BB's last contract that prohibited him from ever picking another player in the secondary with a 2nd round pick lol. Terrence Wheatley, Darius Butler (who somehow had a career in Indy), Ras-I Dowling, Jordan Richards, Cyrus Jones, Duke Dawson, Joejuan Williams…ouch! I'm a certified BBBW. I was even once nominated for the Golden Testicle Award. I don't expect every pick to work out and think BB does fine if I look at the entirety of his work. But I won't lie to you, his 2nd round picks in the secondary scare the shit out of me. Ditto when he drafts a WR. I do think Malcolm Mitchell would have been decent though. That 28-3 comeback wasn't happening without him (along with many others). You’re a big beautiful black woman? Congrats. You go girl!
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Post by carawaydj on Oct 21, 2021 22:44:05 GMT -5
Fire the GM for that? Hardly. But if I were RK I probably would have slipped a clause in BB's last contract that prohibited him from ever picking another player in the secondary with a 2nd round pick lol. Terrence Wheatley, Darius Butler (who somehow had a career in Indy), Ras-I Dowling, Jordan Richards, Cyrus Jones, Duke Dawson, Joejuan Williams…ouch! I'm a certified BBBW. I was even once nominated for the Golden Testicle Award. I don't expect every pick to work out and think BB does fine if I look at the entirety of his work. But I won't lie to you, his 2nd round picks in the secondary scare the shit out of me. Ditto when he drafts a WR. I do think Malcolm Mitchell would have been decent though. That 28-3 comeback wasn't happening without him (along with many others). You’re a big beautiful black woman? Congrats. You go girl! LMAO! I suppose that's exactly what I've been proclaiming all this time lol.
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Post by bostonts on Oct 22, 2021 4:11:17 GMT -5
You brought up Duke Dawson… you, as an example of my ballwashing and rubber stamping every draft pick. Turns out I thought it was a bad pick on draft day. BB Ballwashers don’t exist, they’re a figment of Brady fanboy imaginations. Saying a team of talented players is playing poorly is more probable then them losing their talent. I brought up Dookie Dawson because he’s now 26 years old, should be in his prime and HELPING. Instead he’s another second round bust chosen by the GM you defend at evey turn. The same GM that had to go back to the well again and select J. Williams, who also was...another second round bust. A guy we probably could use about now. Which then lead to selecting ANOTHER 2nd rd safety in Duggar, who we pray is not a bust. I don’t care what you thought about them as they were being selected, a ball washers defends them when they suck...and that’s what you do. Every...single...day. GM’s get fired for this^^. Not have their balls washed. Just a quick note, I think it's a misconception of some that BB has no accountability for what he does on draft day. Bob Kraft made very clear that the personnel decisions in recent years weren't up to snuff and that there have been changes in that area of the Pats this year, which he welcomed.
"In the end, if you want to have a good, consistent, winning football team, you can't do it in free agency. You have to do it through the draft. I don't feel we've done the greatest job the last few years and I really hope, and I believe, I've seen a different approach this year," Kraft said Wednesday in his annual Q&A with reporters during the NFL owners meeting."
So far, this draft is too early to really judge but if Mac Jones works out, and Barmore also lives up to what he has shown in potential so far, it will be one of the best drafts in a while.
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Post by muzwell on Oct 22, 2021 4:53:31 GMT -5
You’re a big beautiful black woman? Congrats. You go girl! LMAO! I suppose that's exactly what I've been proclaiming all this time lol. Not only that but you won the Golden Testicle Award! Girl’s got some skills. Can I get your number?
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Post by solly on Oct 22, 2021 6:27:50 GMT -5
This is where we are now as a species, we will argue that water isn't wet because we dislike the messenger. I've lost all faith in humanity. Why do you say I dislike you? We just fundamentally disagree on your point.
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Post by ATJ on Oct 22, 2021 7:38:29 GMT -5
LMAO! I suppose that's exactly what I've been proclaiming all this time lol. Not only that but you won the Golden Testicle Award! Girl’s got some skills. Can I get your number? This has got to be a nominee for post of the decade.
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Post by Wozzy on Oct 22, 2021 8:16:02 GMT -5
Why do you say I dislike you? We just fundamentally disagree on your point. You’re arguing young players aren’t less reliable than veteran players... ridiculous.
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Post by solly on Oct 22, 2021 9:04:16 GMT -5
Why do you say I dislike you? We just fundamentally disagree on your point. You’re arguing young players aren’t less reliable than veteran players... ridiculous. At running back, which was in the grouping of players you pointed out
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Post by mthurl on Oct 22, 2021 10:15:42 GMT -5
I brought up Dookie Dawson because he’s now 26 years old, should be in his prime and HELPING. Instead he’s another second round bust chosen by the GM you defend at evey turn. The same GM that had to go back to the well again and select J. Williams, who also was...another second round bust. A guy we probably could use about now. Which then lead to selecting ANOTHER 2nd rd safety in Duggar, who we pray is not a bust. I don’t care what you thought about them as they were being selected, a ball washers defends them when they suck...and that’s what you do. Every...single...day. GM’s get fired for this^^. Not have their balls washed. Every year 220+ players get drafted, the average NFL career lasts three years… tell me again how GM’s jobs hinge on draft success rather than actual success. lol I’ll tell you how a GM’s draft success doesn’t hinge on job success. Here, get a pen… See, first you add the greatest quarterback of all time and then you add the greatest coach of all time. Mix it together, add a little salt and pepper and bake at 350 for 45 minutes. Tastes great, just ask Scott Pioli. We are currently missing one of those ingredients and you can’t substitute. Let me know how that’ll taste, so far not so good.
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Post by Wozzy on Oct 22, 2021 10:23:07 GMT -5
At running back, which was in the grouping of players you pointed out Now it’s just RB’s? What’s different about a RB versus a OL? See Kevin Faulk’s improvement fumbling as young player to vet. Young players know less, make mistakes and hopefully improve.
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Post by solly on Oct 22, 2021 10:27:03 GMT -5
At running back, which was in the grouping of players you pointed out Now it’s just RB’s? What’s different about a RB versus a OL? See Kevin Faulk’s improvement fumbling as young player to vet. Young players know less, make mistakes and hopefully improve. Because theres no consistent data to backup the fact that young running backs fumble more...We are going back a few posts when you said you didnt need data to prove that. If Kevin Faulk is your example, then I can give you Damien Harris, whos fumbling more as his career goes on. I just dont think experience correlates with fumbling.
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Post by Wozzy on Oct 22, 2021 10:33:37 GMT -5
I’ll tell you how a GM’s draft success doesn’t hinge on job success. Here, get a pen… See, first you add the greatest quarterback of all time and then you add the greatest coach of all time. Mix it together, add a little salt and pepper and bake at 350 for 45 minutes. Tastes great, just ask Scott Pioli. We are currently missing one of those ingredients and you can’t substitute. Let me know how that’ll taste, so far not so good. So BB was one of the best team builders in football for decades but fell apart last year when he decided to shed cap debt, reset and move on from Tom… sounds legit. The biggest misnomer about Pat’s teams over the entire 20 year reign was “the Pat’s win with less talent.” They always had talent surrounding Tom, more or less depending on his contract. The 2021 team is poorly disciplined, mistake prone, bad at blocking, nearly leading the league in offensive turnovers… coaching is an issue right now… ironic since coaching is the only thing Bill does well according to the haters here.
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Post by Wozzy on Oct 22, 2021 10:37:27 GMT -5
Because theres no consistent data to backup the fact that young running backs fumble more...We are going back a few posts when you said you didnt need data to prove that. If Kevin Faulk is your example, then I can give you Damien Harris, whos fumbling more as his career goes on. I just dont think experience correlates with fumbling. Young players are more often than not less experienced and reliable than vets… 100+ years of football truisms don’t become less true because Solly has a point to make on PFFF.net. Young players who don’t fix fumbling issues find themselves on the unemployment line and rare exceptions don’t make the rule.
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Post by solly on Oct 22, 2021 10:42:21 GMT -5
Because theres no consistent data to backup the fact that young running backs fumble more...We are going back a few posts when you said you didnt need data to prove that. If Kevin Faulk is your example, then I can give you Damien Harris, whos fumbling more as his career goes on. I just dont think experience correlates with fumbling. Young players are more often than not less experienced and reliable than vets… 100+ years of football truisms don’t become less true because Solly has a point to make on PFFF.net. Young players who don’t fix fumbling issues find themselves on the unemployment line and rare exceptions don’t make the rule. Again, There's plenty of examples of players that fumble just as much as veterans as they do as rookies...Good players. Damien Harris is one. The overall sentiment which you are reciting I agree with...Especially at quarterback. I simply don't agree with that being the issue at running back in terms of putting the ball on the ground. Not sure what PFFF.net is
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Post by carawaydj on Oct 22, 2021 10:43:11 GMT -5
I’ll tell you how a GM’s draft success doesn’t hinge on job success. Here, get a pen… See, first you add the greatest quarterback of all time and then you add the greatest coach of all time. Mix it together, add a little salt and pepper and bake at 350 for 45 minutes. Tastes great, just ask Scott Pioli. We are currently missing one of those ingredients and you can’t substitute. Let me know how that’ll taste, so far not so good. So BB was one of the best team builders in football for decades but fell apart last year when he decided to shed cap debt, reset and move on from Tom… sounds legit. The biggest misnomer about Pat’s teams over the entire 20 year reign was “the Pat’s win with less talent.” They always had talent surrounding Tom, more or less depending on his contract. The 2021 team is poorly disciplined, mistake prone, bad at blocking, nearly leading the league in offensive turnovers… coaching is an issue right now… ironic since coaching is the only thing Bill does well according to the haters here. A lot of us will have your back on that one. The belief that we won with poor talent all those years is absolute horse shit. In the 19 years Brady started I thought there were only two seasons where we were rather low on talent. That's not bad. Sure, some years were better than others but we've almost always had a good team. Sucky teams ain't making it to the SB, no matter who is QB. They aren't even making it to the AFCCG.
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Post by solly on Oct 22, 2021 10:45:12 GMT -5
So BB was one of the best team builders in football for decades but fell apart last year when he decided to shed cap debt, reset and move on from Tom… sounds legit. The biggest misnomer about Pat’s teams over the entire 20 year reign was “the Pat’s win with less talent.” They always had talent surrounding Tom, more or less depending on his contract. The 2021 team is poorly disciplined, mistake prone, bad at blocking, nearly leading the league in offensive turnovers… coaching is an issue right now… ironic since coaching is the only thing Bill does well according to the haters here. A lot of us will have your back on that one. The belief that we won with poor talent all those years is absolute horse shit. In the 19 years Brady started I thought there were only two seasons where we were rather low on talent. That's not bad. Sure, some years were better than others but we've almost always had a good team. Sucky teams ain't making it to the SB, no matter who is QB. They aren't even making it to the AFCCG. Which teams did you think were low on talent? Just out of curiosity
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