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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 18:36:00 GMT -5
What's Edelman's record in the Play-offs? Just curious. I means team's record? One and done. I see he had 11 starts. That's all I can find.
I see Edelman had 342 receiving yards and 135 yards in returns last year, Welker never did that in Play-offs. I do wish Wes won, 1 with us. Guy played hard, he tried. I have no hate at all for Wes. NONE!
Edit: I seen Wes block like a maniac down field, it was not all about catching the ball with this guy. He was team all the way, cannot never have enough of these guys.
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Post by jri37 on Oct 7, 2017 18:46:55 GMT -5
ill take Edelman and two super bowl wins over welkers "production" and 2 super bowl losses. Welker was the better player. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Edellman fan but... For 1 game I would take prime Welker over Prime Edelman. For 1 season I would take prime Welker over Edelman. You seem to base who the better player is based on SB wins. I guess you think Damien Woody, Mike Compton, Joe Andruzzi, Dan Connolly and Joe Thuney are all better than John Hannah and Branch, LaFell and Hogan are all better than Randy Moss. Stats mean something until they don't.. Well here stats mean it all. Stats tell you who the better player is/was. Edit... Edelman has no chance to make the HOF, Welker has a shot. Again, that tells it all. Performance in big games also is a factor of who you might want on your team. Welker was tremendously productive and will most likely go down as one of the best slot recievers of all time but I'll take Edelman when it's nut crunching time.
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Post by TFB12 on Oct 7, 2017 18:54:39 GMT -5
Welker was the better player. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Edellman fan but... For 1 game I would take prime Welker over Prime Edelman. For 1 season I would take prime Welker over Edelman. You seem to base who the better player is based on SB wins. I guess you think Damien Woody, Mike Compton, Joe Andruzzi, Dan Connolly and Joe Thuney are all better than John Hannah and Branch, LaFell and Hogan are all better than Randy Moss. Stats mean something until they don't.. Well here stats mean it all. Stats tell you who the better player is/was. Edit... Edelman has no chance to make the HOF, Welker has a shot. Again, that tells it all. Performance in big games also is a factor of who you might want on your team. Welker was tremendously productive and will most likely go down as one of the best slot recievers of all time but I'll take Edelman when it's nut crunching time. Welker had a lot of nut crunching time catches.
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Post by TFB12 on Oct 7, 2017 18:57:03 GMT -5
You have been a big troll lately. Anyone in their right mind knows Amendola is no where near what Welker was. But hey, thanks for trolling.
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Post by jri37 on Oct 7, 2017 18:58:16 GMT -5
Performance in big games also is a factor of who you might want on your team. Welker was tremendously productive and will most likely go down as one of the best slot recievers of all time but I'll take Edelman when it's nut crunching time. Welker had a lot of nut crunching time catches. Welker was a great player for NE and for a long duration I would take him. For one game when it's all on the line I'll take Edelman. IMO he's tougher and competes on every play like its his last. For one game for all the marbles I want Edelman.
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Post by TFB12 on Oct 7, 2017 19:02:29 GMT -5
Welker had a lot of nut crunching time catches. Welker was a great player for NE and for a long duration I would take him. For one game when it's all on the line I'll take Edelman. IMO he's tougher and competes on every play like its his last. For one game for all the marbles I want Edelman. Tougher? Really? You're saying Welker didn't compete on every play? Did you watch him every season on the team?
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Post by jri37 on Oct 7, 2017 19:10:03 GMT -5
Welker was a great player for NE and for a long duration I would take him. For one game when it's all on the line I'll take Edelman. IMO he's tougher and competes on every play like its his last. For one game for all the marbles I want Edelman. Tougher? Really? You're saying Welker didn't compete on every play? Did you watch him every season on the team? Absolutely tougher. I've been watching Patriot football since the mid 70's and IMO pound for pound Edelaman and Tim Fox were two of the toughest Pats I've seen. I mean obviously guys like Tippett, Hannah and Mankins were mean tough SOB's but for thier size Edelman and Fox are as tough as they come.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 19:13:51 GMT -5
I see clowns on this team who have 2 SB rings, that don't compete, and Wes doesn't, THAT SUCKS.
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Post by TFB12 on Oct 7, 2017 19:30:46 GMT -5
Tougher? Really? You're saying Welker didn't compete on every play? Did you watch him every season on the team? Absolutely tougher. I've been watching Patriot football since the mid 70's and IMO pound for pound Edelaman and Tim Fox were two of the toughest Pats I've seen. I mean obviously guys like Tippett, Hannah and Mankins were mean tough SOB's but for thier size Edelman and Fox are as tough as they come. www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjQ8HNuRHhsTough as nails, dude. Held onto the ball too. Welker took huge shots in his career, how many games did he miss while a Patriot?
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Post by patmando on Oct 7, 2017 20:05:41 GMT -5
your dam right I do. I will take a guy who wins over stats every day and 100 times on Sunday. Like Lombardi said ...winning its a sometime thing it's an all the time thing. It's a habit. Winners just win while other guys pile up stats and never win. You seriously think.... Damien Woody, Mike Compton, Joe Andruzzi, Dan Connolly and Joe Thuney are all better than John Hannah and Branch, LaFell and Hogan are all better than Randy Moss. WOW! BTW, Welker has more wins as a Patriot than Edelman does. OUCH! yea Peyton manning won a lot in the regular season too. Ouch!!!! Winning as in winning it all. We were talking Super Bowls. Plus you keep talking better while mentioning all guys that could never win the big game. I told you I take the winners you can have the rest
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Post by patmando on Oct 7, 2017 20:13:04 GMT -5
Welker was a great player for NE and for a long duration I would take him. For one game when it's all on the line I'll take Edelman. IMO he's tougher and competes on every play like its his last. For one game for all the marbles I want Edelman. Tougher? Really? You're saying Welker didn't compete on every play? Did you watch him every season on the team? yea I watched him drop a pass in the super bowl. Did you? Edelman got hammered in the super bowl, stayed in the game and caught the game winning touchdown. I'll take the guy who in the biggest game came thru not once but twice.
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Post by TFB12 on Oct 7, 2017 20:44:48 GMT -5
You seriously think.... Damien Woody, Mike Compton, Joe Andruzzi, Dan Connolly and Joe Thuney are all better than John Hannah and Branch, LaFell and Hogan are all better than Randy Moss. WOW! BTW, Welker has more wins as a Patriot than Edelman does. OUCH! yea Peyton manning won a lot in the regular season too. Ouch!!!! Winning as in winning it all. We were talking Super Bowls. Plus you keep talking better while mentioning all guys that could never win the big game. I told you I take the winners you can have the rest Winning and losing a SB isn't an individual thing. You can't put a win on Edelman and a loss on Welker, it doesn't work like that. Nice try. Welkers production is much better Edelmans, you can't discount Welkers toughness, he missed few games as a Patriot. How many has Edelman missed?
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Post by TFB12 on Oct 7, 2017 20:49:06 GMT -5
Tougher? Really? You're saying Welker didn't compete on every play? Did you watch him every season on the team? yea I watched him drop a pass in the super bowl. Did you? Edelman got hammered in the super bowl, stayed in the game and caught the game winning touchdown. I'll take the guy who in the biggest game came thru not once but twice. Edelman dropped many footballs too, he dropped passes when in clutch situations. The pass to Welker was such a bad pass, hit him in stride and its first down and ball inside the 15 yard line. And that's coming from a Brady Ball Washer! BTW, please tell me what happened on the very next play? Also, can you guarantee me that had Welker made an amazing catch to a bad throw that the Pats would have scored? Do you know that the next play wouldn't have been a turnover or a FG wouldn't have been blocked or missed?
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Post by jri37 on Oct 7, 2017 22:33:07 GMT -5
Absolutely tougher. I've been watching Patriot football since the mid 70's and IMO pound for pound Edelaman and Tim Fox were two of the toughest Pats I've seen. I mean obviously guys like Tippett, Hannah and Mankins were mean tough SOB's but for thier size Edelman and Fox are as tough as they come. www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjQ8HNuRHhsTough as nails, dude. Held onto the ball too. Welker took huge shots in his career, how many games did he miss while a Patriot? It's all about what you prefer. I prefer the guy who fights his ass off for every inch he earns. You take Welker who is most likely a Patriot HOF'er and I'll take the guy who will do anything to win. I'm not saying I'm right or wrong it's just my preference.
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Post by TFB12 on Oct 7, 2017 22:40:27 GMT -5
It's all about what you prefer. I prefer the guy who fights his ass off for every inch he earns. You take Welker who is most likely a Patriot HOF'er and I'll take the guy who will do anything to win. I'm not saying I'm right or wrong it's just my preference. What you are saying is Welker didn't play with the do anything to win attitude and he didn't fight his ass off for every inch he earned. You couldn't be more wrong. You can have your opinion but, you are completely wrong and that's a fact. Again, I gotta question if you actually watched Welker play the entire time he was a Patriot. Btw, curious if you caught the Welker Football Life last night?
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Post by jri37 on Oct 7, 2017 23:13:56 GMT -5
It's all about what you prefer. I prefer the guy who fights his ass off for every inch he earns. You take Welker who is most likely a Patriot HOF'er and I'll take the guy who will do anything to win. I'm not saying I'm right or wrong it's just my preference. What you are saying is Welker didn't play with the do anything to win attitude and he didn't fight his ass off for every inch he earned. You couldn't be more wrong. You can have your opinion but, you are completely wrong and that's a fact. Again, I gotta question if you actually watched Welker play the entire time he was a Patriot. Btw, curious if you caught the Welker Football Life last night? Ive seen almost very Patriot game since the mid 70's give or take a 1/2 dozen games. I've been a season ticket holder since 1996. I'm in Tampa right now was at the Thursday night game so you can question me all you want about seeing/ watching this team. Here's the bottom line for me, Welker had great production but in a one game winner take all game I'd take Julian Edelamn and or Troy Brown over Wes Welker every day of the week.
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Post by TFB12 on Oct 7, 2017 23:43:34 GMT -5
What you are saying is Welker didn't play with the do anything to win attitude and he didn't fight his ass off for every inch he earned. You couldn't be more wrong. You can have your opinion but, you are completely wrong and that's a fact. Again, I gotta question if you actually watched Welker play the entire time he was a Patriot. Btw, curious if you caught the Welker Football Life last night? Ive seen almost very Patriot game since the mid 70's give or take a 1/2 dozen games. I've been a season ticket holder since 1996. I'm in Tampa right now was at the Thursday night game so you can question me all you want about seeing/ watching this team. Here's the bottom line for me, Welker had great production but in a one game winner take all game I'd take Julian Edelamn and or Troy Brown over Wes Welker every day of the week. Then you are totally biased, big Welker hater apparently. There is just no other explanation for the comments you made, they are totally inaccurate. LOL at now bringing Troy Brown into the discussion. Gotta love Troy Brown but numbers tell the story.
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Post by jri37 on Oct 7, 2017 23:53:34 GMT -5
Ive seen almost very Patriot game since the mid 70's give or take a 1/2 dozen games. I've been a season ticket holder since 1996. I'm in Tampa right now was at the Thursday night game so you can question me all you want about seeing/ watching this team. Here's the bottom line for me, Welker had great production but in a one game winner take all game I'd take Julian Edelamn and or Troy Brown over Wes Welker every day of the week. Then you are totally biased, big Welker hater apparently. There is just no other explanation for the comments you made, they are totally inaccurate. LOL at now bringing Troy Brown into the discussion. Gotta love Troy Brown but numbers tell the story. I stand by my statements. In a one game do or die situation I'd take Edelman and Brown over Welker. Did Welker have a more prolific career than these guys? No doubt. Don't hate Welker I've said he's a Patriot HOF'er and his numbers make him a possible candidate for the pro football HOF. For me, my opinion, I would just rather have players that have proven that in big spots they make big plays.
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Post by TFB12 on Oct 8, 2017 0:08:15 GMT -5
Then you are totally biased, big Welker hater apparently. There is just no other explanation for the comments you made, they are totally inaccurate. LOL at now bringing Troy Brown into the discussion. Gotta love Troy Brown but numbers tell the story. I stand by my statements. In a one game do or die situation I'd take Edelman and Brown over Welker. Did Welker have a more prolific career than these guys? No doubt. Don't hate Welker I've said he's a Patriot HOF'er and his numbers make him a possible candidate for the pro football HOF. For me, my opinion, I would just rather have players that have proven that in big spots they make big plays. Ok. Can't really go wrong with any of the 3 in a game, imo. I know who I'm taking, and I especially know who I'm taking all season long over several seasons.
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Post by jri37 on Oct 8, 2017 0:21:08 GMT -5
I stand by my statements. In a one game do or die situation I'd take Edelman and Brown over Welker. Did Welker have a more prolific career than these guys? No doubt. Don't hate Welker I've said he's a Patriot HOF'er and his numbers make him a possible candidate for the pro football HOF. For me, my opinion, I would just rather have players that have proven that in big spots they make big plays. Ok. Can't really go wrong with any of the 3 in a game, imo. I know who I'm taking, and I especially know who I'm taking all season long over several seasons. It'll be an endless debate. I think if you asked 100 Patriot fans 33 would take Brown, 33 would take Welker and 33 would take Edelman. The 1 left would take Randy Vataha and that person would argue that the other 3 had the advantage of playing with the GOAT.
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Post by Shelly on Oct 8, 2017 9:41:53 GMT -5
yea Peyton manning won a lot in the regular season too. Ouch!!!! Winning as in winning it all. We were talking Super Bowls. Plus you keep talking better while mentioning all guys that could never win the big game. I told you I take the winners you can have the rest Winning and losing a SB isn't an individual thing. You can't put a win on Edelman and a loss on Welker, it doesn't work like that. Nice try. Welkers production is much better Edelmans, you can't discount Welkers toughness, he missed few games as a Patriot. How many has Edelman missed? I'll take either one -- equally. Back a while ago I wanted to buy a Welker jersey but there were rumors he was leaving the team (he did) so I didn't buy it. Instead I bought a Wilfork jersey. When he left I felt confident that Edelman would completely make up for losing him -- and he did. So to me this is "potAtoes, potahtoes" or "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?" type stuff. They are/were both great for us and both more than adequately fill/filled that needed role. Yes, Welker gets a nod for being on the field more than Edelman, but would/could Welker have made that unbelievable catch that Edelman made in last year's superbowl? As I said, to me it is a tossup.
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Post by Shelly on Oct 8, 2017 9:44:35 GMT -5
Ive seen almost very Patriot game since the mid 70's give or take a 1/2 dozen games. I've been a season ticket holder since 1996. I'm in Tampa right now was at the Thursday night game so you can question me all you want about seeing/ watching this team. Here's the bottom line for me, Welker had great production but in a one game winner take all game I'd take Julian Edelamn and or Troy Brown over Wes Welker every day of the week. Then you are totally biased, big Welker hater apparently. There is just no other explanation for the comments you made, they are totally inaccurate. LOL at now bringing Troy Brown into the discussion. Gotta love Troy Brown but numbers tell the story. I don't see him being a Welker hater. That is an all or nothing fallacy type of statement. Rather, he like likes Edelman more. Frankly, I see it more as being recent tremendous over fading memory of past tremendous. Also, I would put Troy Brown right in there with both of them as well.
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Post by TFB12 on Oct 8, 2017 10:18:24 GMT -5
Winning and losing a SB isn't an individual thing. You can't put a win on Edelman and a loss on Welker, it doesn't work like that. Nice try. Welkers production is much better Edelmans, you can't discount Welkers toughness, he missed few games as a Patriot. How many has Edelman missed? I'll take either one -- equally. Back a while ago I wanted to buy a Welker jersey but there were rumors he was leaving the team (he did) so I didn't buy it. Instead I bought a Wilfork jersey. When he left I felt confident that Edelman would completely make up for losing him -- and he did. So to me this is "potAtoes, potahtoes" or "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?" type stuff. They are/were both great for us and both more than adequately fill/filled that needed role. Yes, Welker gets a nod for being on the field more than Edelman, but would/could Welker have made that unbelievable catch that Edelman made in last year's superbowl? As I said, to me it is a tossup. Fair enough. Could Welker have made the catch Edelman made in the SB? Maybe, maybe not, but you could easily take all their catches and drops and speculate if the other could have made the play... but that's all it is, just pure speculation.
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Post by patmando on Oct 8, 2017 10:19:19 GMT -5
yea Peyton manning won a lot in the regular season too. Ouch!!!! Winning as in winning it all. We were talking Super Bowls. Plus you keep talking better while mentioning all guys that could never win the big game. I told you I take the winners you can have the rest Winning and losing a SB isn't an individual thing. You can't put a win on Edelman and a loss on Welker, it doesn't work like that. Nice try. Welkers production is much better Edelmans, you can't discount Welkers toughness, he missed few games as a Patriot. How many has Edelman missed? thats funny because that's exactly how people judge quarterbacks. Or where you defending manning by saying it was the teams fault not his?
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Post by patmando on Oct 8, 2017 10:23:12 GMT -5
yea I watched him drop a pass in the super bowl. Did you? Edelman got hammered in the super bowl, stayed in the game and caught the game winning touchdown. I'll take the guy who in the biggest game came thru not once but twice. Edelman dropped many footballs too, he dropped passes when in clutch situations. The pass to Welker was such a bad pass, hit him in stride and its first down and ball inside the 15 yard line. And that's coming from a Brady Ball Washer! BTW, please tell me what happened on the very next play? Also, can you guarantee me that had Welker made an amazing catch to a bad throw that the Pats would have scored? Do you know that the next play wouldn't have been a turnover or a FG wouldn't have been blocked or missed? dude you can play the what if game all you want. I deal in facts. Fact is welker got both hands on the ball and dropped it. Fact is teams he was on were 0-3 in the super bowl. You keep going on and on about freaking stats. When it matters the most I want the guy that makes the play not the one that doesn't. Simple.
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