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Post by TFB12 on Oct 8, 2017 10:26:41 GMT -5
Then you are totally biased, big Welker hater apparently. There is just no other explanation for the comments you made, they are totally inaccurate. LOL at now bringing Troy Brown into the discussion. Gotta love Troy Brown but numbers tell the story. I don't see him being a Welker hater. That is an all or nothing fallacy type of statement. Rather, he like likes Edelman more. Frankly, I see it more as being recent tremendous over fading memory of past tremendous. Also, I would put Troy Brown right in there with both of them as well. I'm not so sure... I don't believe I have heard anyone make comments like this about Welker.... (Edelman) "is tougher and competes on every play like its his last." (Edelman) "Absolutely tougher. " "I prefer the guy who fights his ass off for every inch he earns. You take Welker who is most likely a Patriot HOF'er and I'll take the guy who will do anything to win" Edelman tougher? Welker didn't compete on every play like it was his last? Welker didn't fight his ass off for every inch he earned? Welker didn't play like a guy who would do anything to win? C'mon now, Just saying those are some ridiculous innuendos he made.
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Post by digger0862 on Oct 8, 2017 10:37:11 GMT -5
What's Edelman's record in the Play-offs? Just curious. I means team's record? One and done. I see he had 11 starts. That's all I can find. I see Edelman had 342 receiving yards and 135 yards in returns last year, Welker never did that in Play-offs. I do wish Wes won, 1 with us. Guy played hard, he tried. I have no hate at all for Wes. NONE! Edit: I seen Wes block like a maniac down field, it was not all about catching the ball with this guy. He was team all the way, cannot never have enough of these guys. Edelman's record in the playoffs is 9-6. That's better than some teams all-time playoff record. Steelers 36-24 Cowboys 34-27 Packers 34-22 Patriots 32-19 49ers 31-21 Raiders 25-19 Giants 24-25 Redskins 23-19 Broncos 23-19 Colts 22-23 Dolphins 20-21 Eagles 19-21 Rams 19-24 Vikings 19-28 Bears 17-18 Seahawks 16-15 Browns 16-20 Ravens 15-8 Titans 14-19 Bills 14-15 Jets 12-13 Chargers 11-17 Panthers 9-7 Falcons 9-13 Chiefs 9-17 Cardinals 7-9 Lions 7-13 Saints 7-9 Buccaneers 6-9 Bengals 5-14 Jaguars 5-6 Texans 3-4
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Post by digger0862 on Oct 8, 2017 10:48:52 GMT -5
Replace Welker with Edelman in the 2007 and 2011 Super bowls and the result is the same.
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Post by digger0862 on Oct 8, 2017 10:54:51 GMT -5
Playoff stats w/ Patriots
Welker Edelman 9 games 15 games 8 starts 11 starts 69 rec 89 rec 686 yards 1024 yards 9.9 yds/rec 11.5 yds/rec
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Post by patmando on Oct 8, 2017 10:59:48 GMT -5
Replace Welker with Edelman in the 2007 and 2011 Super bowls and the result is the same. thats awesome speculation. I could just as easily say replace welker with Edelman and they win both.
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Post by TFB12 on Oct 8, 2017 11:11:05 GMT -5
Replace Welker with Edelman in the 2007 and 2011 Super bowls and the result is the same. Talking prime playing days, I totally agree. And vice versa Edelman/Welker 2014 and 2016.
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Post by digger0862 on Oct 8, 2017 12:31:03 GMT -5
People leave out the 2007 season when they talk about the great Patriots teams and its just not fair. If not for the Giants and their kryptonite they would have been hailed the greatest team ever.
Welker was a big part of that. (and Adalius Thomas too!) Just because they fell a few inches short it shouldn't diminish their greatness.
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Post by texaspat on Oct 8, 2017 17:13:35 GMT -5
Fantastic episode! The production he put up for the Patriots is unmatched. Probably will never be matched by another player in a Patriots uniform. Too bad he left the team in such a sour way, going over to the hated Denver Mannings...because you're right, he was a great player with the Patriots. He should merit Hall of Fame consideration.
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Post by oklahomapatriot on Oct 8, 2017 17:23:55 GMT -5
Appreciate Wes Welker's contributions. But in the end. Edelman > Welker.
If we win 2 SBs with Welker, he may been a HOFer
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Post by thejuice on Oct 8, 2017 21:44:04 GMT -5
What you are saying is Welker didn't play with the do anything to win attitude and he didn't fight his ass off for every inch he earned. You couldn't be more wrong. You can have your opinion but, you are completely wrong and that's a fact. Again, I gotta question if you actually watched Welker play the entire time he was a Patriot. Btw, curious if you caught the Welker Football Life last night? Ive seen almost very Patriot game since the mid 70's give or take a 1/2 dozen games. I've been a season ticket holder since 1996. I'm in Tampa right now was at the Thursday night game so you can question me all you want about seeing/ watching this team. Here's the bottom line for me, Welker had great production but in a one game winner take all game I'd take Julian Edelamn and or Troy Brown over Wes Welker every day of the week. I would too. Wes was great for us but both edelman and brown were more clutch. Id be fine with any of the 3 in their prime, but yes, wed would be my 3rd choice
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Post by thejuice on Oct 8, 2017 21:45:03 GMT -5
Replace Welker with Edelman in the 2007 and 2011 Super bowls and the result is the same. 07, agree. 11, i think je11 makes that catch that wes dropped and then we win that game most likely
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Post by patmando on Oct 9, 2017 5:00:21 GMT -5
It's more then just stats. Pats down 10 to Seattle it's Brady and Edelman rallying the troops on the sidelines and huddle. Then he goes out and makes huge catches to fuel the comeback. Pats down 28-3 to Atlanta. Again it's Edelman rallying the troops and what a story this will be. Then he goes out and makes an incredible catch in the comeback. Where was welker when the Pat's were down or Denver? Edelman is a leader, a winner. Those are the guys you want in the tough times, in the biggest games.
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Post by thejuice on Oct 9, 2017 6:49:12 GMT -5
It's more then just stats. Pats down 10 to Seattle it's Brady and Edelman rallying the troops on the sidelines and huddle. Then he goes out and makes huge catches to fuel the comeback. Pats down 28-3 to Atlanta. Again it's Edelman rallying the troops and what a story this will be. Then he goes out and makes an incredible catch in the comeback. Where was welker when the Pat's were down or Denver? Edelman is a leader, a winner. Those are the guys you want in the tough times, in the biggest games. Exactly.
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Post by oklahomapatriot on Oct 9, 2017 17:51:21 GMT -5
Ive seen almost very Patriot game since the mid 70's give or take a 1/2 dozen games. I've been a season ticket holder since 1996. I'm in Tampa right now was at the Thursday night game so you can question me all you want about seeing/ watching this team. Here's the bottom line for me, Welker had great production but in a one game winner take all game I'd take Julian Edelamn and or Troy Brown over Wes Welker every day of the week. I would too. Wes was great for us but both edelman and brown were more clutch. Id be fine with any of the 3 in their prime, but yes, wed would be my 3rd choice Don't forget. Amendola = Clutch in last 2 SB wins
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Post by TFB12 on Oct 9, 2017 20:28:33 GMT -5
It's more then just stats. Pats down 10 to Seattle it's Brady and Edelman rallying the troops on the sidelines and huddle. Then he goes out and makes huge catches to fuel the comeback. Pats down 28-3 to Atlanta. Again it's Edelman rallying the troops and what a story this will be. Then he goes out and makes an incredible catch in the comeback. Where was welker when the Pat's were down or Denver? Edelman is a leader, a winner. Those are the guys you want in the tough times, in the biggest games. What the [expletive] you talking about? Pats won many of games because of Welker. Pats came back many games because of Welker. When Broncos were getting blown away by the Seahawks in the SB, Welker was one of the best, dependable receivers. Did you just start watching football the past couple years?
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Post by patmando on Oct 10, 2017 0:33:57 GMT -5
It's more then just stats. Pats down 10 to Seattle it's Brady and Edelman rallying the troops on the sidelines and huddle. Then he goes out and makes huge catches to fuel the comeback. Pats down 28-3 to Atlanta. Again it's Edelman rallying the troops and what a story this will be. Then he goes out and makes an incredible catch in the comeback. Where was welker when the Pat's were down or Denver? Edelman is a leader, a winner. Those are the guys you want in the tough times, in the biggest games. What the [expletive] you talking about? Pats won many of games because of Welker. Pats came back many games because of Welker. When Broncos were getting blown away by the Seahawks in the SB, Welker was one of the best, dependable receivers. Did you just start watching football the past couple years? wtf are you talking about. Edelman helped them WIN two Super Bowls....welker 0-3. Welker is the Peyton manning of recievers. Oh wait manning actually has two rings. The majority on here have said Edelman so maybe you need to watch more football yourself.
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Post by rkarp on Oct 10, 2017 6:57:26 GMT -5
how many rings does Mankie have? How many does Solder have? Who is the better player?
Rings are what the players play for after money. but rings in a team sport is not the way to compare players in football
games played. rcpts. TD's. you want to argue who was the better team mate, I think it is a good discussion. the better player? simply due to injury, it has to be Welkie.
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Post by TFB12 on Oct 10, 2017 7:10:57 GMT -5
What the [expletive] you talking about? Pats won many of games because of Welker. Pats came back many games because of Welker. When Broncos were getting blown away by the Seahawks in the SB, Welker was one of the best, dependable receivers. Did you just start watching football the past couple years? wtf are you talking about. Edelman helped them WIN two Super Bowls....welker 0-3. Welker is the Peyton manning of recievers. Oh wait manning actually has two rings. The majority on here have said Edelman so maybe you need to watch more football yourself. Oh gawd! Winning the SB is a team accomplishment. Moss never won a super bowl, remind me again which Patriots receivers are better than him? The HOF is full of the best players at their position. Edelman has no shot at the HOF, Welker has a legit chance. Do you know why that is?
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Post by TFB12 on Oct 10, 2017 7:14:06 GMT -5
how many rings does Mankie have? How many does Solder have? Who is the better player? Rings are what the players play for after money. but rings in a team sport is not the way to compare players in football games played. rcpts. TD's. you want to argue who was the better team mate, I think it is a good discussion. the better player? simply due to injury, it has to be Welkie. It's the same argument, over and over again. John Hannah never won a ring, he was never as good as Joe Thuney.
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Post by coolade on Oct 10, 2017 8:15:22 GMT -5
It was quite revealing to see mcD basically admit that they built their finesse offense around a slow small although football smart player.
Brady was effusive also about amazing Welker. People don't realize they are just rooting for the little guy. I do it too. He was fun to watch.
Building offense around him...fail.
No more proof needed than to see him stretching for that routine catch in the superbowl and then dropping it with his tiny hands.
Edelman catches that ball, troy brown also. Welker was amazing but in the end limited.
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Post by patmando on Oct 10, 2017 8:33:55 GMT -5
wtf are you talking about. Edelman helped them WIN two Super Bowls....welker 0-3. Welker is the Peyton manning of recievers. Oh wait manning actually has two rings. The majority on here have said Edelman so maybe you need to watch more football yourself. Oh gawd! Winning the SB is a team accomplishment. Moss never won a super bowl, remind me again which Patriots receivers are better than him? The HOF is full of the best players at their position. Edelman has no shot at the HOF, Welker has a legit chance. Do you know why that is? you keep Go
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Post by patmando on Oct 10, 2017 8:39:13 GMT -5
wtf are you talking about. Edelman helped them WIN two Super Bowls....welker 0-3. Welker is the Peyton manning of recievers. Oh wait manning actually has two rings. The majority on here have said Edelman so maybe you need to watch more football yourself. Oh gawd! Winning the SB is a team accomplishment. Moss never won a super bowl, remind me again which Patriots receivers are better than him? The HOF is full of the best players at their position. Edelman has no shot at the HOF, Welker has a legit chance. Do you know why that is? you keep making the same arguement over and over. I told you, welker is all yours. I'll take the guy who produces in the big game in the biggest moments. Those 120 catches in the regular season really helped when he dropped the pass in the super bowl. 3 secs to go in the super bowl. Pats down by 6. Brady lofts a pass into the end zone. Who you want on the other end...welker, Edelman or Danny hands?
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Post by rkarp on Oct 10, 2017 8:59:36 GMT -5
why make a judgement on a players career for one play? I guess another way to look at it, is that every game is big, and Welkie showed up for every single one of them (well he missed a couple). JE has missed almost 50% of them.
you ask, "who do I want on the other end?" I want the guy that is always on the field. always
again, I love JE. but for their careers, not for one play, Welkie the proven better performer.
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Post by patmando on Oct 10, 2017 9:37:37 GMT -5
why make a judgement on a players career for one play? I guess another way to look at it, is that every game is big, and Welkie showed up for every single one of them (well he missed a couple). JE has missed almost 50% of them. you ask, "who do I want on the other end?" I want the guy that is always on the field. always again, I love JE. but for their careers, not for one play, Welkie the proven better performer. question was who would you rather have welker or Edelman. I would take Edelman. He came up big in the big moments, welker did not. Why is that so hard to understand? Oh and welker would have missed a full season if his knee injury didn't come in the last game of the season.
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Post by TFB12 on Oct 10, 2017 11:42:51 GMT -5
Oh gawd! Winning the SB is a team accomplishment. Moss never won a super bowl, remind me again which Patriots receivers are better than him? The HOF is full of the best players at their position. Edelman has no shot at the HOF, Welker has a legit chance. Do you know why that is? you keep making the same arguement over and over. I told you, welker is all yours. I'll take the guy who produces in the big game in the biggest moments. Those 120 catches in the regular season really helped when he dropped the pass in the super bowl. 3 secs to go in the super bowl. Pats down by 6. Brady lofts a pass into the end zone. Who you want on the other end...welker, Edelman or Danny hands? I'll take prime Welker over both. His productivity over many seasons proves the guy is better. Both Edelman and Amendola have dropped passes at key times, don't fool yourself in believing they have t. I have references if you need them.
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