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Post by thejuice on Oct 12, 2017 16:09:28 GMT -5
If Welker makes that catch in the Super Bowl everyone in this thread thinks Welker is better than Edelman. If the Tyree catch and Butler INT don't happen, everyone in this thread thinks Welker is better than Edelman. I think Wes should have made the catch, but you can't judge a guy's entire career because of one play. I love Jules, but comparing him to peak Welker is ridiculous imo. Would you take Edelman over Moss? He didn't win a Super Bowl here either. please don't take the Liberty to assume what I am thinking. Because I disagree completely with everything about you just posted I wouldn't feel that way whatsoever. One catch doesn't change my Outlook on someone. That would be moronic.
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Post by pcm4 on Oct 12, 2017 16:27:26 GMT -5
please don't take the Liberty to assume what I am thinking. Because I disagree completely with everything about you just posted I wouldn't feel that way whatsoever. One catch doesn't change my Outlook on someone. That would be moronic. With all due respect I don't think it's unreasonable to infer that the Welker non-catch or the SB results when he was on the team are playing an outsized role in people's opinions here when an inordinate number of posts in this thread are dealing with that exact topic! You yourself posted that we would have won the SB in 2011 with Jules because he would have made that catch. I think you're taking my original post a bit too personally.
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Post by patmando on Oct 12, 2017 16:33:03 GMT -5
If Welker makes that catch in the Super Bowl everyone in this thread thinks Welker is better than Edelman. If the Tyree catch and Butler INT don't happen, everyone in this thread thinks Welker is better than Edelman. I think Wes should have made the catch, but you can't judge a guy's entire career because of one play. I love Jules, but comparing him to peak Welker is ridiculous imo. Would you take Edelman over Moss? He didn't win a Super Bowl here either. lol I love it. So if welker makes the clutch plays and Edelman doesn't we would take welker. DUH. But he didn't and Edelman did. Of course we want the guy that DID rather then the guy that shoulda woulda coulda. Moss was an outside reciever not slot. Would you take moss over rice???
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Post by patmando on Oct 12, 2017 16:38:50 GMT -5
I think some of you have incredibly short memories when it comes to just how phenomenal Welker was. A couple of points this video makes. At the :30 second mark, Welker runs a similar route against Miami into similar coverage as the so called drop route, only Brady delivers the ball where it should be. Easy catch. Again at the 2:10 mark, he runs the same route against the Giants, only this time he is well covered. Brady still throws it to the correct side and Welker makes an amazing catch. Also, not once on this video does Welker ever have to spin 270 degrees, slide 5 yards backwards and sideways to 'get his hands in the ball'. That is a credit to Brady that he is so accurate, but also speaks to the pass in the Super Bowl being off target. m.youtube.com/watch?v=yioJTLumWlc&feature=player_embeddedpeyton manning was phenomenal in the regular season too. Guess you want him over Brady then. Why don't you find me some phenomenal welker plays in the playoffs. I got plenty of Edelman ones for you.
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Post by bostonsportsfan111 on Oct 12, 2017 18:28:35 GMT -5
I think some of you have incredibly short memories when it comes to just how phenomenal Welker was. A couple of points this video makes. At the :30 second mark, Welker runs a similar route against Miami into similar coverage as the so called drop route, only Brady delivers the ball where it should be. Easy catch. Again at the 2:10 mark, he runs the same route against the Giants, only this time he is well covered. Brady still throws it to the correct side and Welker makes an amazing catch. Also, not once on this video does Welker ever have to spin 270 degrees, slide 5 yards backwards and sideways to 'get his hands in the ball'. That is a credit to Brady that he is so accurate, but also speaks to the pass in the Super Bowl being off target. m.youtube.com/watch?v=yioJTLumWlc&feature=player_embeddedpeyton manning was phenomenal in the regular season too. Guess you want him over Brady then. Why don't you find me some phenomenal welker plays in the playoffs. I got plenty of Edelman ones for you. Here is a few for you... By the way, he caught 7 of 8 passes thrown his way in that Super Bowl (only miss was that bad throw), and caught 69 passes in 9 playoff games for the Pats. www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000126155/2012-Divisional-Playoffs-Wes-Welker-highlights. Here is Brady on Welker: www.nfl.com/videos/a-football-life/0ap3000000857551/A-Football-Life-Welker-and-Brady-were-dominant-together-from-the-start
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WES WELKER
Oct 12, 2017 18:39:22 GMT -5
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Post by thejuice on Oct 12, 2017 18:39:22 GMT -5
please don't take the Liberty to assume what I am thinking. Because I disagree completely with everything about you just posted I wouldn't feel that way whatsoever. One catch doesn't change my Outlook on someone. That would be moronic. With all due respect I don't think it's unreasonable to infer that the Welker non-catch or the SB results when he was on the team are playing an outsized role in people's opinions here when an inordinate number of posts in this thread are dealing with that exact topic! You yourself posted that we would have won the SB in 2011 with Jules because he would have made that catch. I think you're taking my original post a bit too personally. And your making ridiculous assumptions that you seem to think are fact which in no way are they. I fully believe jules or troy brown in their prime catch that pass. Does that 100% win that Superbowl, no. It could've lead to a TD which yes would've won that game. Catch made greatly changes the win % of that game to our favor. That was my point.
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WES WELKER
Oct 12, 2017 18:44:29 GMT -5
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Post by thejuice on Oct 12, 2017 18:44:29 GMT -5
Again if you're calling bradys throw bad, you're clueless when it comes to football. Watch the play and the coverage again. It was at worst a good pass, if not better than that. Was it perfect? Hell no. But again if you're expecting every pass to be perfect, again you have no clue what you're talking about. Wes dropped a catchable ball. He himself would say that. Give it a rest. No one is trashing wes cause of it. He was great for us. Id rather have Jules or troy over wes in any big game. You'd rather have wes. Good for you. I dont take it personally that you feel that way. I can't fathom why apparently you do because i feel differently than you
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WES WELKER
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Post by bostonsportsfan111 on Oct 12, 2017 19:07:50 GMT -5
Again if you're calling bradys throw bad, you're clueless when it comes to football. Watch the play and the coverage again. It was at worst a good pass, if not better than that. Was it perfect? Hell no. But again if you're expecting every pass to be perfect, again you have no clue what you're talking about. Wes dropped a catchable ball. He himself would say that. Give it a rest. No one is trashing wes cause of it. He was great for us. Id rather have Jules or troy over wes in any big game. You'd rather have wes. Good for you. I dont take it personally that you feel that way. I can't fathom why apparently you do because i feel differently than you I stopped responding to you, YOU responded to my post. I have no issue with anything you have posted, and I have not mentioned Julian Edelman once in anything I have written in thread. Not once, go back and read the entire thread again. All I have said is that with all the throws Brady has put into tight windows at key times, that throw was not a good one. Welker was wide open (no one around by 5 yards in any direction is wide open, especially with Brady), facing inside and that's where he expected the ball. It was thrown high, wide and to the outside for whatever reason. From what I see on the play, it should have been thrown inside where Welker was expecting it. That is all.
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Post by TFB12 on Oct 12, 2017 19:33:52 GMT -5
I think some of you have incredibly short memories when it comes to just how phenomenal Welker was. A couple of points this video makes. At the :30 second mark, Welker runs a similar route against Miami into similar coverage as the so called drop route, only Brady delivers the ball where it should be. Easy catch. Again at the 2:10 mark, he runs the same route against the Giants, only this time he is well covered. Brady still throws it to the correct side and Welker makes an amazing catch. Also, not once on this video does Welker ever have to spin 270 degrees, slide 5 yards backwards and sideways to 'get his hands in the ball'. That is a credit to Brady that he is so accurate, but also speaks to the pass in the Super Bowl being off target. m.youtube.com/watch?v=yioJTLumWlc&feature=player_embeddedVery solid post, bostonsportsfan111! Thanks for posting this, I think you posted this once before over on BDC. I forgot all about it until you just brought it up again. This video show the bad decision Brady made. Welker ran the correct route in the SB, plenty of room there for Brady to hit him in stride on the inside shoulder, just a bad mistake by Brady. Such a difficult catch for anyone to make. I remember people saying Amendola could have made that catch, a couple years back Amendola had the chance to make a similar catch vs the Ravens on the sidelines and Amendola didn't make it. It's a difficult adjustment to make and come up with the ball.
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WES WELKER
Oct 12, 2017 21:12:01 GMT -5
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Post by thejuice on Oct 12, 2017 21:12:01 GMT -5
I'm bowing out of this conversation as I've done in the past. Next time I'm resist this topic lol i hope. Agree to disagree.
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WES WELKER
Oct 12, 2017 22:26:31 GMT -5
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Post by TFB12 on Oct 12, 2017 22:26:31 GMT -5
I'm bowing out of this conversation as I've done in the past. Next time I'm resist this topic lol i hope. Agree to disagree. See you next time.
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WES WELKER
Oct 13, 2017 12:42:24 GMT -5
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Post by thejuice on Oct 13, 2017 12:42:24 GMT -5
I'm bowing out of this conversation as I've done in the past. Next time I'm resist this topic lol i hope. Agree to disagree. See you next time. Haha. Right back at ya lol
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Post by Shelly on Oct 13, 2017 12:50:56 GMT -5
Frankly, I find this thread a bit ridiculous. We were/are EXTREMELY fortunate that both were/are Pats players. Which one was better? That is like asking who is the bigger genius when one has an IQ of 189 and the other has one of 190. Who cares?
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Post by oklahomapatriot on Oct 13, 2017 17:31:02 GMT -5
I choose Edelman. because he had to learn the position, and that he made that catch in the last SB You are definitely using recent memories versus a memorable past to make that judgement. That one Edleman catch is one catch, albeit coming at an extremely critical time in a game. Do we chose Tyree for that helmet catch over others? Nope! Look at all the amazing catches Welker HAS made in his career and people here are judging him for that one miss! You chose Edelman because he had to learn the position? What does that say about the player who made the position? As I said earlier, when talking heads talk about slot receivers the basis used for comparison is Welker. Folks say "Welker-like" not "Edelman-like". My memory is Welker dropping a pass that could have beaten the jints, and then thought he was worth more money to stay in NE, and scooted off to the enemy
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Post by agcsbill on Oct 14, 2017 7:43:53 GMT -5
You are definitely using recent memories versus a memorable past to make that judgement. That one Edleman catch is one catch, albeit coming at an extremely critical time in a game. Do we chose Tyree for that helmet catch over others? Nope! Look at all the amazing catches Welker HAS made in his career and people here are judging him for that one miss! You chose Edelman because he had to learn the position? What does that say about the player who made the position? As I said earlier, when talking heads talk about slot receivers the basis used for comparison is Welker. Folks say "Welker-like" not "Edelman-like". My memory is Welker dropping a pass that could have beaten the jints, and then thought he was worth more money to stay in NE, and scooted off to the enemy I can understand that and it is one play. For all we know, if he did catch that pass, the Pats could have fumbled the ball to the Giants the next play. Anyway.... Welker, or rather his agent, thought he was worth more money to stay with the Pats. Didn't he wind up signing with the Broncos for just about the same money? He had one good season in Denver with Manning.
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